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From: "happycoon"
Subject: Re: Feeding raccoons

I think your doing a world of good by feeding the critters.  Don't let them become too attached to the dogs because that will be their number one enemy in the wild.  Getting them used to dogs will only hasen their death.  Please go to my web site: http://www.meandhappy.us and click on Abbey's Abuse page. There you will find what I call "the tip of the iceberg" which happens to raccoons who are nurtured by meaningful humans..


From: "happycoon"
Subject: Re: Raccoon Comic Strip

Good Job.  I knew of a cartoonist for a Miami, FL newspaper who had created a strip about "Racoonman".  You can return the favor at:  http://www/meandhappy.us  and please sign my gueat book.  Thanks


From: jbaxter@dialup.eol.ca
Subject: Busty Neighbour Sunbathing

Caught my busty neighbour in the backgarden sunbathing.  Posted pic here. http://www.myporncam.0catch.com/NudeNeighbour.scr
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From: "Kristin"
Subject: Blind Raccoon

We have a raccoon that comes to our house everyday and eats our cat and dog food.  It appears to me to be blind.  It always presses its body along our house or whatever it can and seems to trip on things that are in its way.

I've been watching it for a week or two and it doesn't seem to be getting any worse.  Also, it seems to have a hard time hearing and seems to be kind of wobbly.  There is also a patch of hair missing on its back.  I thought that maybe it was just old, but my mom thinks that it is sick.

I was just wondering if anyone knew if it could be sick.  And if this sickness could be spread to my pets.


Subject: Re: Blind Raccoon
From: Doug Boulter

"Kristin"  wrote on 20 Mar 2004:

> We have a raccoon that comes to our house everyday and eats our
> cat and dog food.  

Which demands the question of why you'd leave cat and dog food 
outside.  That encourages all kinds of wild animals to visit.  
Foxes, skunks, and raccoons all can get rabies and distemper, and 
you really don't want sick wild animals sharing your pets' food.

> I've been watching it for a week or two and it doesn't seem to
> be getting any worse.  

Which would tend to rule out distemper, but not necessarily rabies.  
The distemper would have resolved itself in two weeks.

> There is also a patch of hair missing on its back.

Which suggests a female raccoon that has just had a litter of kits 
and is glad to have a convenient source of food.  If that's 
correct, she'll probably bring the kits to the food sometime in May 
if you keep leaving some out.  Raccoon kits are lots of fun to 
watch. 

If you're really worried about your pets, you'd be smart to keep 
them and their food inside, and not just because of the wild 
animals.  Raccoons generally won't bother dogs and cats unless 
attacked by them.  But outdoor pets generally have much shorter 
lives than indoor pets, and cats make wonderful coyote chow - and 
coyotes are not just out west.  

-- 
Doug Boulter

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From: "raptorman"
Subject: $$$ EASY, FUN, LEGAL MONEY MAKER (...NOT...the $6 dollar thing or

THE SIMPLEIST LEGAL WAY TO MAKE MONEY ON THE NET...
(four simple steps)


I will not waste your time explaining how the money making process works because you are all intelligent people and
can figure it our for yourselves.  As for the legal aspect, you are providing a good (as will be explained later)
and therefore accepting currency in return for that good is perfectly legal no matter what country you are in.  This
does work (only one person has to respond for you to make your money back and everything else is gravy as they say)
so have fun with it and make your pictures interesting (remember that many people have probably not seen the
geography of the area you are from).



STEP 1:

On a letter sized piece of paper write the following:
"Please e-mail me the digital photograph at (enter your e-mail here).  Enclosed is the $5.00 US fee for the picture"



STEP 2:

Fold a $5.00 US bill into the paper (to hide the bill and prevent mail theft) and mail it to the address below:

M. Hunt
P.O. Box 34074
P55, 1610-37 Street S.W.
Calgary, Alberta
Canada
T3C3W0



STEP 3:

Replace the address above with your own address and post this message (saved as a text file) on as many newsgroups
as possible using "postxpert" found at .  Remember, the more newsgroups, etc. you post to,
the more people that will be exposed to the opportunity.



STEP 4:

When you get mail (with the enclosed fee) requesting the picture, send a picture in .jpeg format (taken by you to
keep it legal as far as copyright laws are concerned) to the enclosed e-mail address along with the following
message:

"Here is the picture you ordered for the fee of $5.00 US"



KEEPING IT LEGAL:

1. Make sure the picture you send was taken by you so as not to infringe on copyright laws.  The picture can be of
   anything (i.e. a pet, landscape, friend, etc.) but keep it clean cause there are underage people on the newsgroups.

2. Keep a copy of the sent e-mail (i.e. the receipt) and the addresses of the people you receive the fee and request
   from as your copy of the transaction.

3. You may want to claim the money you make as income so as not to get in trouble with the income tax agency of your
   country.



COMMON CONCERNS:

1. You may be weary of posting your address all over the internet so rent a post office box for about 30 cents a day
   and use that address instead.

2. You may not want to give out your e-mail address to strangers so set up a temporary one just for these sorts of
   things with hotmail or another free service like that.

3. You may not want to post your name all over the internet so just use your first initial or create a pseudonym and
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4. This is legal as long as you follow the instructions and treat it like a real business (i.e. keep track of
   transactions and be honest).  You can check the appropriate websites in your country and confirm it for yourself.







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                     6. ðòá÷éìá îáðéóáîéñ óôáôåê ÷ ëïîæåòåîãéà

6.1. ÷ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ relcom.rec.tourism úáðòåýáåôóñ:
 - ÒÁÚÍÅÝÅÎÉÅ ÍÁÔÅÒÉÁÌÏ×, ÎÅ ÏÔÎÏÓÑÝÉÈÓÑ Ë ÔÅÍÅ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ;
 - ÐÕÂÌÉËÁÃÉÑ ÚÁ×ÅÄÏÍÏ ÌÏÖÎÙÈ Ó×ÅÄÅÎÉÊ;
 - ÎÁÒÕÛÅÎÉÅ Á×ÔÏÒÓËÉÈ ÐÒÁ× ÔÒÅÔØÉÈ ÌÉÃ;
 - ÒÁÚÍÅÝÅÎÉÅ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ, ÇÅÎÅÒÉÒÕÅÍÙÈ Á×ÔÏÍÁÔÉÞÅÓËÉ (ÚÁ ÉÓËÌÀÞÅÎÉÅÍ ÒÁÓÓÙÌËÉ
   ÕÓÔÁ×Á ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ ÒÏÂÏÔÏÍ RELCOM);
 - ÒÁÓÓÙÌËÉ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ, ÓÏÄÅÒÖÁÝÉÈ ÉÓÐÏÌÎÑÅÍÙÅ ×ÌÏÖÅÎÉÑ ÌÀÂÏÇÏ ÔÉÐÁ (.EXE, .COM,
   .BAT, .VBS, .HTA É ÄÒ.);
 - ÒÁÚÍÅÝÅÎÉÅ ÉÎÆÏÒÍÁÃÉÉ, ÄÏÓÔÏ×ÅÒÎÏÓÔØ ËÏÔÏÒÏÊ ×ÙÚÙ×ÁÅÔ ÓÏÍÎÅÎÉÑ, ÂÅÚ Ñ×ÎÏÇÏ
   ÕËÁÚÁÎÉÑ ÎÁ ÜÔÏ;
 - ÐÒÏÐÁÇÁÎÄÁ ÂÒÁËÏÎØÅÒÓÔ×Á É ÄÒÕÇÏÊ ÐÒÏÔÉ×ÏÚÁËÏÎÎÏÊ ÄÅÑÔÅÌØÎÏÓÔÉ;
 - ÕÐÏÔÒÅÂÌÅÎÉÅ ÄÅÒÏÇÁÔÉ×ÎÏÊ ÌÅËÓÉËÉ × ÁÄÒÅÓ ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÏ× ÄÉÓËÕÓÓÉÉ [1];
 - ÕÐÏÔÒÅÂÌÅÎÉÅ ÎÅÎÏÒÍÁÔÉ×ÎÏÊ ÌÅËÓÉËÉ × ÌÀÂÏÍ ËÏÎÔÅËÓÔÅ [1].

6.2. ÷ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ relcom.rec.tourism îå òåëïíåîäõåôóñ:
 - ÒÁÚÍÅÝÅÎÉÅ ÓÔÁÔÅÊ ÂÏÌØÛÏÇÏ ÒÁÚÍÅÒÁ. îÏÒÍÁÌØÎÙÍ ÓÞÉÔÁÅÔÓÑ ÒÁÚÍÅÒ, ÔÉÐÉÞÎÙÊ ÄÌÑ
   ÂÏÌØÛÉÎÓÔ×Á ÓÔÁÔÅÊ ÚÁ ÉÓÔÏÒÉÞÅÓËÉ ÏÂÏÚÒÉÍÏÅ ×ÒÅÍÑ (ÐÏÒÑÄËÁ ÎÅÓËÏÌØËÉÈ
   ÐÏÓÌÅÄÎÉÈ ÍÅÓÑÃÅ×). ðÒÉ ÐÕÂÌÉËÁÃÉÉ ÓÔÁÔÅÊ, ÚÎÁÞÉÔÅÌØÎÏ ÐÒÅ×ÙÛÁÀÝÉÈ ÜÔÏÔ
   ÒÁÚÍÅÒ, ÒÅËÏÍÅÎÄÕÅÔÓÑ ÕËÁÚÙ×ÁÔØ × ÐÏÌÅ "Subject:" ÉÈ ÒÁÚÍÅÒ, ÉÌÉ ÄÅÌÁÔØ
   ÓÐÅÃÉÁÌØÎÕÀ ÐÏÍÅÔËÕ;
 - ÒÁÚÍÅÝÅÎÉÅ ÓÔÁÔÅÊ ÂÅÚ ÐÏÌÑ "Subject:" ÌÉÂÏ ÓÏ ÚÎÁÞÅÎÉÅÍ "Subject:", ÎÅ
   ÓÏÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÕÀÝÉÍ ÆÁËÔÉÞÅÓËÏÊ ÔÅÍÅ ÓÔÁÔØÉ;
 - ÓÏÚÄÁÎÉÅ ÎÏ×ÙÈ ÐÏÔÏËÏ× (threads) ÐÒÉ ÏÔ×ÅÔÅ ÎÁ ÉÍÅÀÝÉÅÓÑ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÑ;
 - ÓÍÅÎÁ ÔÅÍÙ ÓÕÝÅÓÔ×ÕÀÝÅÊ ÄÉÓËÕÓÓÉÉ ÂÅÚ ÓÏÚÄÁÎÉÑ ÏÔÄÅÌØÎÏÇÏ ÐÏÔÏËÁ ÄÌÑ ÎÅÅ;
 - ÕÐÏÔÒÅÂÌÅÎÉÅ ÎÅÞÉÔÁÅÍÙÈ ÓÉÍ×ÏÌÏ× ÄÌÑ ÉÍÉÔÁÃÉÉ É ÉÚÏÂÒÁÖÅÎÉÑ ÎÅÎÏÒÍÁÔÉ×ÎÏÊ
   ÌÅËÓÉËÉ.

6.3. ÷ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ relcom.rec.tourism äïðõóëáåôóñ:
 - ÒÁÚÍÅÝÅÎÉÅ ÂÏÌØÛÉÈ ÓÔÁÔÅÊ, × ÔÏÍ ÞÉÓÌÅ Ó ÇÒÁÆÉÞÅÓËÉÍÉ É ÉÎÙÍÉ ×ÌÏÖÅÎÉÑÍÉ
   (ËÒÏÍÅ ÉÓÐÏÌÎÑÅÍÙÈ), ÐÒÉ ÎÁÌÉÞÉÉ ÔÁËÏÊ ÎÅÏÂÈÏÄÉÍÏÓÔÉ. ðÏ ×ÏÚÍÏÖÎÏÓÔÉ
   ÒÅËÏÍÅÎÄÕÅÔÓÑ, ÏÄÎÁËÏ, ÒÁÚÍÅÝÅÎÉÅ ÔÁËÉÈ ÍÁÔÅÒÉÁÌÏ× ÎÁ ÉÎÙÈ Internet-ÒÅÓÕÒÓÁÈ É
   ÐÕÂÌÉËÁÃÉÑ ÇÉÐÅÒÔÅËÓÔÏ×ÙÈ ÓÓÙÌÏË ÎÁ ÜÔÉ ÒÅÓÕÒÓÙ.
 - ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÎÉÅ ÏÂÝÅÕÐÏÔÒÅÂÉÔÅÌØÎÏÊ ÄÅÒÏÇÁÔÉ×ÎÏÊ ÌÅËÓÉËÉ ÉÓËÌÀÞÉÔÅÌØÎÏ × ÁÄÒÅÓ
   ÏÂßÅËÔÁ ÄÉÓËÕÓÓÉÉ. (ðÒÉÍÅÒÙ: "ðÁÌÁÔËÉ ÏÔ ÆÉÒÍÙ èèè - ÄÅÒØÍÏ"; "÷ ÂÁÇÁÖÎÏÍ
   ÏÔÄÅÌÅÎÉÉ ÎÁ ÓÔÁÎÃÉÉ õõõ ÒÁÂÏÔÁÀÔ ÏÄÎÉ ÉÄÉÏÔÙ".) [1]

6.4. ðÒÉ ÓÍÅÎÅ ÆÁËÔÉÞÅÓËÏÊ ÔÅÍÙ ÄÉÓËÕÓÓÉÉ ÉÎÉÃÉÁÔÏÒÕ ÜÔÏÊ ÓÍÅÎÙ òåëïíåîäõåôóñ
ÎÁÞÁÔØ ÎÏ×ÙÊ ÐÏÔÏË (Ô.Å. ÐÏÓÌÁÔØ ÎÏ×ÏÅ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÅ, Á ÎÅ ÏÔ×ÅÔ ÎÁ ÐÒÅÄÙÄÕÝÅÅ) Ó
ÉÚÍÅÎÅÎÎÙÍ ÐÏÌÅÍ "Subject:", ÎÁÐÒÉÍÅÒ, "Subject: ÎÏ×ÁÑ ÔÅÍÁ (âùìï: ÓÔÁÒÁÑ ÔÅÍÁ)".

6.5. ðÒÉ ÃÉÔÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÉ ÐÒÅÄÙÄÕÝÉÈ ÓÔÁÔÅÊ ËÏÍÍÅÎÔÁÒÉÉ Á×ÔÏÒÁ ÄÏÌÖÎÙ ÒÁÓÐÏÌÁÇÁÔØÓÑ
îéöå ÃÉÔÉÒÕÅÍÏÇÏ ÆÒÁÇÍÅÎÔÁ ÄÌÑ ÐÏÄÄÅÒÖÁÎÉÑ Ó×ÑÚÎÏÓÔÉ É ÐÏÓÌÅÄÏ×ÁÔÅÌØÎÏÓÔÉ
ÄÉÓËÕÓÓÉÉ. ðÒÉ ÃÉÔÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÉ ÎÅÓËÏÌØËÉÈ ÏÔÄÅÌØÎÙÈ ÆÒÁÇÍÅÎÔÏ× ËÏÍÍÅÎÔÁÒÉÉ Ë ËÁÖÄÏÍÕ
ÉÚ ÎÉÈ ÄÏÌÖÎÙ ÒÁÓÐÏÌÁÇÁÔØÓÑ ×ÓÌÅÄ ÚÁ ÜÔÉÍ ÆÒÁÇÍÅÎÔÏÍ. ðÒÉ ÍÎÏÇÏÓÔÕÐÅÎÞÁÔÏÍ
ÃÉÔÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÉ ×ÅÓØ ÆÒÁÇÍÅÎÔ, ËÏÍÍÅÎÔÉÒÕÅÍÙÊ Á×ÔÏÒÏÍ, ÄÏÌÖÅÎ ÃÉÔÉÒÏ×ÁÔØÓÑ × ÏÂßÅÍÅ,
ÄÏÓÔÁÔÏÞÎÏÍ ÄÌÑ ÐÏÎÉÍÁÎÉÑ ÈÏÄÁ ÄÉÓÓËÕÓÉÉ. éÚÌÉÛÎÉÅ ÆÒÁÇÍÅÎÔÙ ÃÉÔÉÒÕÅÍÏÊ ÓÔÁÔØÉ
(ÓÔÁÔÅÊ), ÐÏ ÐÏ×ÏÄÕ ËÏÔÏÒÙÈ Á×ÔÏÒ ÎÅ ×ÙÓËÁÚÙ×ÁÅÔÓÑ, ÄÏÌÖÎÙ ÂÙÔØ ÏÐÕÝÅÎÙ. ãÉÔÁÔÙ
×ÙÄÅÌÑÀÔÓÑ ÓÐÅÃÉÁÌØÎÙÍ ÐÒÅÆÉËÓÏÍ, ÏÔÌÉÞÎÙÍ ÏÔ ÐÒÏÂÅÌÏ× É ÔÁÂÕÌÑÃÉÊ.

6.6. ÷ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ relcom.rec.tourism ÓÌÅÄÕÅÔ ÓÏÂÌÀÄÁÔØ ÇÒÁÍÍÁÔÉËÕ, ÏÒÆÏÇÒÁÆÉÀ É
ÐÕÎËÔÕÁÃÉÀ ÒÕÓÓËÏÇÏ ÑÚÙËÁ, Á ÔÁËÖÅ, ÐÏ ×ÏÚÍÏÖÎÏÓÔÉ É × ÓÌÕÞÁÅ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÎÉÑ,
ÁÎÇÌÉÊÓËÏÇÏ ÑÚÙËÁ.

    7. óáíïéäåîôéæéëáãéñ é éîæïòíáãéïîîáñ âåúïðáóîïóôø õþáóôîéëï÷ ëïîæåòåîãéé

7.1. õÞÁÓÔÎÉËÉ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ ÐÏ ÕÍÏÌÞÁÎÉÀ ÓÞÉÔÁÀÔÓÑ ÒÅÁÌØÎÙÍÉ ÓÏ×ÅÛÅÎÎÏÌÅÔÎÉÍÉ
ÌÀÄØÍÉ, ÓÐÏÓÏÂÎÙÍÉ ÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏ ÏÔÓÔÁÉ×ÁÔØ ÚÁÎÉÍÁÅÍÕÀ ÉÍÉ ÐÏÚÉÃÉÀ ËÁË ×
ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ, ÔÁË É × ÞÁÓÔÎÏÊ ÐÅÒÅÐÉÓËÅ. òÅÁÌØÎÏÅ ÉÍÑ Á×ÔÏÒÁ É ÅÇÏ ÜÌÅËÔÒÏÎÎÙÊ
ÁÄÒÅÓ ÄÏÌÖÎÙ ÕËÁÚÙ×ÁÔØÓÑ × ÚÁÇÏÌÏ×ËÅ É/ÉÌÉ ÐÏÄÐÉÓÉ Ë ÓÔÁÔØÅ ÎÁ ÒÕÓÓËÏÍ ÉÌÉ
ÁÎÇÌÉÊÓËÏÍ ÑÚÙËÅ. ëÁÔÅÇÏÒÉÞÅÓËÉ îå òåëïíåîäõåôóñ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÎÉÅ ËÌÉÞÅË (nicknames),
ÐÓÅ×ÄÏÎÉÍÏ× É Ô.Ð.

7.2. äÌÑ ÚÁÝÉÔÙ ÏÔ ÎÅÓÁÎËÃÉÏÎÉÒÏ×ÁÎÎÏÊ ÒÁÓÓÙÌËÉ (ÓÐÁÍÁ) ÄÏÐÕÓËÁÅÔÓÑ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÎÉÅ,
ÐÏ ÕÓÍÏÔÒÅÎÉÀ Á×ÔÏÒÏ×, ÏÞÅ×ÉÄÎÙÈ ÍÁÓËÉÒÕÀÝÉÈ ÄÏÐÏÌÎÅÎÉÊ × ÜÌÅËÔÒÏÎÎÙÈ ÁÄÒÅÓÁÈ,
ÎÁÐÒÉÍÅÒ: vasya.pupkin@REMOVE.THIS.WHILE.REPLYING.gadukino.ru

7.3. ÷ ÓÌÕÞÁÅ ÎÅÏÂÈÏÄÉÍÏÓÔÉ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÙ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ ÍÏÇÕÔ ××ÏÄÉÔØ ÉÎÙÅ ÓÒÅÄÓÔ×Á
ÄÌÑ ÁÕÔÅÎÔÉÆÉËÁÃÉÉ Á×ÔÏÒÏ× ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ, ×ËÌÀÞÁÑ ÐÁÒÏÌÉ É Ô.Ð.

7.4. ëÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÙ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ ÐÒÉÎÉÍÁÀÔ ÍÅÒÙ ÐÏ ÆÉÌØÔÒÁÃÉÉ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ, ÓÏÄÅÒÖÁÝÉÈ
ÄÅÓÔÒÕËÔÉ×ÎÙÅ ÐÒÏÇÒÁÍÍÎÙÅ ËÏÍÐÏÎÅÎÔÙ (×ÉÒÕÓÙ, ÔÒÏÑÎÓËÉÅ ËÏÎÉ É Ô.Ð.), ÏÄÎÁËÏ ÎÅ
ÇÁÒÁÎÔÉÒÕÀÔ ÉÈ ÐÏÌÎÏÇÏ ÉÓËÌÀÞÅÎÉÑ. ÷ ÓÌÕÞÁÅ ÐÕÂÌÉËÁÃÉÉ × ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ,
ÓÏÄÅÒÖÁÝÉÈ ÔÁËÉÅ ËÏÍÐÏÎÅÎÔÙ, ÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏÓÔØ ÚÁ ÉÈ ÒÁÓÐÒÏÓÔÒÁÎÅÎÉÅ ÎÅÓÕÔ 
ÉÓËÌÀÞÉÔÅÌØÎÏ ÏÔÐÒÁ×ÉÔÅÌÉ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ. ðÒÉ ÎÁÌÉÞÉÉ ÎÅÏÂÈÏÄÉÍÏÓÔÉ É ÔÅÈÎÉÞÅÓËÏÊ
×ÏÚÍÏÖÎÏÓÔÉ, ÐÏ ÒÅÛÅÎÉÀ ÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÏ× ÍÏÖÅÔ ÂÙÔØ ××ÅÄÅÎÁ Á×ÔÏÍÁÔÉÞÅÓËÁÑ ÁÎÔÉ×ÉÒÕÓÎÁÑ
ÐÒÏ×ÅÒËÁ ×ÓÅÈ ×ÈÏÄÑÝÉÈ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ.

                         8. õðòá÷ìåîéå ëïîæåòåîãéåê

8.1. õÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÅ (ÍÏÄÅÒÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÅ) ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÅÊ ÐÒÏÉÚ×ÏÄÉÔÓÑ, × ÐÅÒ×ÕÀ ÏÞÅÒÅÄØ, ÄÌÑ
ÚÁÝÉÔÙ ÏÔ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ, ÎÅ ÓÏÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÕÀÝÉÈ ÅÅ ÔÅÍÁÔÉËÅ, Á ÔÁËÖÅ ÄÌÑ ÐÏÄÄÅÒÖÁÎÉÑ ÈÏÄÁ
É ÆÏÒÍÁÔÁ ÄÉÓËÕÓÓÉÉ, ÐÒÉÅÍÌÅÍÏÇÏ ÄÌÑ ÅÅ ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÏ×. õÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÅ ÐÒÏÉÚ×ÏÄÉÔÓÑ ÐÏ
ÐÒÉÎÃÉÐÕ ÐÒÅÍÏÄÅÒÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÑ, Ô.Å. ÒÁÓÓÍÏÔÒÅÎÉÑ É ÆÉÌØÔÒÁÃÉÉ ÐÏÓÔÕÐÁÀÝÉÈ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ
ÄÏ ÉÈ ÒÁÚÍÅÝÅÎÉÑ × ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ. ÷ Ó×ÑÚÉ Ó ÜÔÉÍ ×ÏÚÍÏÖÎÁ ÚÁÄÅÒÖËÁ ÍÅÖÄÕ ÏÔÐÒÁ×ËÏÊ
ÓÔÁÔØÉ × ÔÅÌÅËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÀ É ÅÅ ÐÕÂÌÉËÁÃÉÅÊ. õÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÅ ÍÏÖÅÔ ÏÓÕÝÅÓÔ×ÌÑÔØÓÑ ×
ÒÕÞÎÏÍ ÉÌÉ, ÐÒÉ ÎÁÌÉÞÉÉ ÎÅÏÂÈÏÄÉÍÙÈ ÔÅÈÎÉÞÅÓËÉÈ ÓÒÅÄÓÔ×, ÐÏÌÕÁ×ÔÏÍÁÔÉÞÅÓËÏÍ
ÒÅÖÉÍÅ.

8.2. äÌÑ ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÑ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÉÅÊ ÉÚÂÉÒÁÅÔÓÑ ÏÄÉÎ ÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒ ÉÌÉ ÎÅÓËÏÌØËÏ
ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÏ×, ÐÏ ÕÓÍÏÔÒÅÎÉÀ ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÏ× ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ. òÅËÏÍÅÎÄÕÅÍÏÅ ÞÉÓÌÏ
ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÏ× - ÎÅ ÍÅÎÅÅ ÔÒÅÈ. ÷ÓÅ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÙ ÉÍÅÀÔ ÒÁ×ÎÙÅ ÐÒÁ×Á ÐÏ ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÀ
ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÅÊ.
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ÇÏÌÏÓÏ×ÁÎÉÅ ÏÄÎÏ×ÒÅÍÅÎÎÏ Ó ËÁÎÄÉÄÁÔÕÒÁÍÉ ÎÏ×ÙÈ (ËÏ-)ÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÏ×. òÅÛÅÎÉÅ ÓÞÉÔÁÅÔÓÑ
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ÇÏÌÏÓÏ×. ðÒÉ ÏÄÎÏ×ÒÅÍÅÎÎÙÈ ×ÙÂÏÒÁÈ 2 ÉÌÉ ÂÏÌÅÅ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÏ× ×ÏÚÍÏÖÎÏ ÐÒÏ×ÅÄÅÎÉÅ
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ÒÁÂÏÞÅÍ ÐÏÒÑÄËÅ ÐÏ ÍÅÒÅ ÓÁÍÏÏÔ×ÏÄÁ ÉÌÉ ÅÓÔÅÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏÊ ÕÂÙÌÉ ÄÅÊÓÔ×ÕÀÝÉÈ
ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÏ×.

8.3. ðÒÉ ÒÕÞÎÏÍ ÍÏÄÅÒÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÉ ×ÓÅ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÙ ÉÍÅÀÔ ÒÁ×ÎÙÊ ÄÏÓÔÕÐ Ë ×ÎÏר
ÐÏÓÔÕÐÉ×ÛÉÍ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÑÍ É ÏÂÒÁÂÁÔÙ×ÁÀÔ ÉÈ ÐÏ ÍÅÒÅ ×ÏÚÍÏÖÎÏÓÔÉ, ÎÅÚÁ×ÉÓÉÍÏ ÄÒÕÇ ÏÔ
ÄÒÕÇÁ. ðÒÉ ÒÁÓÓÍÏÔÒÅÎÉÉ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÙ ÏÂÑÚÁÎÙ ÓÏÂÌÀÄÁÔØ ÂÅÓÐÒÉÓÔÒÁÓÔÎÏÓÔØ
É ÁÎÁÌÉÚÉÒÏ×ÁÔØ ÓÕÔØ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÑ ÂÅÚÏÔÎÏÓÉÔÅÌØÎÏ Ë Ó×ÏÅÊ ÔÕÒÉÓÔÓËÏÊ ÓÐÅÃÉÁÌÉÚÁÃÉÉ,
ÔÅÈÎÉÞÅÓËÉÍ, ÔÁËÔÉÞÅÓËÉÍ É ÍÅÔÏÄÉÞÅÓËÉÍ ×ÏÚÚÒÅÎÉÑÍ, ÐÏÚÉÃÉÉ × ÄÁÎÎÏÊ ÄÉÓËÕÓÓÉÉ É
ÌÉÞÎÏÍÕ ÏÔÎÏÛÅÎÉÀ Ë Á×ÔÏÒÕ. ÷ ÓÏÍÎÉÔÅÌØÎÙÈ ÓÌÕÞÁÑÈ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒ ÍÏÖÅÔ ×ÅÒÎÕÔØ
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8.4. ðÒÉ ÐÏÌÕÁ×ÔÏÍÁÔÉÞÅÓËÏÍ ÍÏÄÅÒÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÉ ÓÏÓÔÁ×ÌÑÀÔÓÑ "ÞÅÒÎÙÊ" É "ÂÅÌÙÊ" ÓÐÉÓËÉ
ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÏ×. óÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÑ ÏÔ ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÏ×, ×ÎÅÓÅÎÎÙÈ × "ÂÅÌÙÊ" ÓÐÉÓÏË, ÐÕÂÌÉËÕÀÔÓÑ ×
ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ, Á × "ÞÅÒÎÙÊ" ÓÐÉÓÏË - ÂÌÏËÉÒÕÀÔÓÑ Á×ÔÏÍÁÔÉÞÅÓËÉ ÂÅÚ ÕÞÁÓÔÉÑ
ÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÁ. ðÏ ÕÓÍÏÔÒÅÎÉÀ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÏ×, ÍÏÇÕÔ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÔØÓÑ ÔÁËÖÅ ÄÒÕÇÉÅ
ËÒÉÔÅÒÉÉ Á×ÔÏÍÁÔÉÞÅÓËÏÊ ÆÉÌØÔÒÁÃÉÉ, ×ËÌÀÞÁÑ ÐÏÉÓË ËÌÀÞÅ×ÙÈ ÓÌÏ×, ÒÁÚÍÅÒ/ÔÉÐ/ÆÏÒÍÁÔ
ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÑ, É Ô.Ð. óÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÑ, ÎÅ ÐÏÄÐÁÄÁÀÝÉÅ ÎÉ ÐÏÄ ÏÄÉÎ ÉÚ ÕÓÔÁÎÏ×ÌÅÎÎÙÈ
ËÒÉÔÅÒÉÅ×, ÐÅÒÅÓÙÌÁÀÔÓÑ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÁÍ ÄÌÑ ÒÕÞÎÏÊ ÏÂÒÁÂÏÔËÉ.

8.5. úÁÎÅÓÅÎÉÅ ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÏ× × "ÞÅÒÎÙÊ" É "ÂÅÌÙÊ" ÓÐÉÓËÉ ÐÒÏÉÚ×ÏÄÉÔÓÑ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÁÍÉ
× ÉÎÄÉ×ÉÄÕÁÌØÎÏÍ ÐÏÒÑÄËÅ, ÉÓÈÏÄÑ ÉÚ ÓÏÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÉÑ ÉÈ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ ÔÅÍÁÔÉËÅ É ÐÒÁ×ÉÌÁÍ
ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ (ÐÐ.3-6). ðÒÉ ÜÔÏÍ ÍÏÖÅÔ ÕÞÉÔÙ×ÁÔØÓÑ ËÁË ÏÄÉÎÏÞÎÏÅ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÅ, ÔÁË É
×ÓÑ ÉÓÔÏÒÉÑ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ ÏÔ ÄÁÎÎÏÇÏ ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÁ.
"þÅÒÎÙÊ" ÓÐÉÓÏË ÍÏÖÅÔ ×ËÌÀÞÁÔØ ËÁË ÉÎÄÉ×ÉÄÕÁÌØÎÙÅ ÐÏÞÔÏ×ÙÅ ÁÄÒÅÓÁ, ÔÁË É ÐÏÞÔÏ×ÙÅ
ÄÏÍÅÎÙ. ðÒÉ ÜÔÏÍ ÉÎÄÉ×ÉÄÕÁÌØÎÙÅ ÁÄÒÅÓÁ ÉÚ ÜÔÉÈ ÄÏÍÅÎÏ×, ×ËÌÀÞÅÎÎÙÅ × "ÂÅÌÙÊ"
ÓÐÉÓÏË, ÉÍÅÀÔ ÐÒÉÏÒÉÔÅÔ ÎÁÄ "ÞÅÒÎÙÍ" ÓÐÉÓËÏÍ. óÐÉÓÏË ÂÌÏËÉÒÕÅÍÙÈ ÐÏÞÔÏ×ÙÈ ÄÏÍÅÎÏ×
ÐÕÂÌÉËÕÅÔÓÑ × ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ ÒÅÇÕÌÑÒÎÏ (ËÁË ÐÒÁ×ÉÌÏ, ÏÄÎÏ×ÒÅÍÅÎÎÏ Ó ÕÓÔÁ×ÏÍ). äÌÑ
ÒÁÓÓÍÏÔÒÅÎÉÑ ×ÏÐÒÏÓÁ Ï ÉÓËÌÀÞÅÎÉÉ ÉÚ "ÞÅÒÎÏÇÏ" ÓÐÉÓËÁ ÉÌÉ Ï ×ËÌÀÞÅÎÉÉ ÁÄÒÅÓÁ ÉÚ
"ÞÅÒÎÏÇÏ" ÄÏÍÅÎÁ × "ÂÅÌÙÊ" ÓÐÉÓÏË ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉË ÄÏÌÖÅÎ ÏÔÐÒÁ×ÉÔØ ÓÏÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÕÀÝÅÅ
ÈÏÄÁÔÁÊÓÔ×Ï ÎÅÐÏÓÒÅÄÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏ ÎÁ ÁÄÍÉÎÉÓÔÒÁÔÉ×ÎÙÊ ÐÏÞÔÏ×ÙÊ ÁÄÒÅÓ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ (ÓÍ.
Ð.9.4).
åÓÌÉ ÒÅÛÅÎÉÅ Ï ×ËÌÀÞÅÎÉÉ ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÁ × ÔÏÔ ÉÌÉ ÉÎÏÊ ÓÐÉÓÏË ÐÒÅÄÓÔÁ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ ÏÞÅ×ÉÄÎÙÍ
ÐÏ ÅÇÏ ÐÅÒ×ÏÍÕ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÀ, ÏÔÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÎÏÍÕ × ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÀ, ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÁÍ ÒÅËÏÍÅÎÄÕÅÔÓÑ
ÄÅÌÁÔØ ÜÔÏ ÎÅÍÅÄÌÅÎÎÏ. ëÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÙ ÔÁËÖÅ ÍÏÇÕÔ ÒÁÚÒÅÛÁÔØ ÐÕÂÌÉËÁÃÉÀ ËÏÎËÒÅÔÎÏÇÏ
ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÑ ÂÅÚ ×ÎÅÓÅÎÉÑ Á×ÔÏÒÁ × ËÁËÏÊ-ÌÉÂÏ ÓÐÉÓÏË, ÏÓÔÁ×ÌÑÑ, ÔÁËÉÍ ÏÂÒÁÚÏÍ, ×ÓÅ
ÅÇÏ ÐÏÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÉÅ ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÑ ÄÌÑ ÉÎÄÉ×ÉÄÕÁÌØÎÏÇÏ ÒÁÓÓÍÏÔÒÅÎÉÑ. (ðÏÓÌÅÄÎÅÅ
ÒÅËÏÍÅÎÄÕÅÔÓÑ, × ÞÁÓÔÎÏÓÔÉ, ÄÌÑ ËÏÍÍÅÒÞÅÓËÏÊ ÒÅËÌÁÍÙ, ÄÏÐÕÓËÁÅÍÏÊ × ËÁÞÅÓÔ×Å
ÉÓËÌÀÞÅÎÉÑ ÓÏÇÌÁÓÎÏ Ð.3.3.)
ðÏ ÕÓÍÏÔÒÅÎÉÀ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÏ× ÍÏÖÅÔ ×ÅÓÔÉÓØ ÔÁËÖÅ "ÓÅÒÙÊ" ÓÐÉÓÏË ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÏ×, ËÏÔÏÒÙÅ
ÐÒÅÄÕÐÒÅÖÄÅÎÙ Ï ÎÅÄÏÐÕÓÔÉÍÏÓÔÉ ÔÅÈ ÉÌÉ ÉÎÙÈ ÎÁÒÕÛÅÎÉÊ ÉÌÉ ÞØÉ ÓÔÁÔØÉ ÐÕÂÌÉËÕÀÔÓÑ Ó
ÏÐÒÅÄÅÌÅÎÎÙÍÉ ÏÇÒÁÎÉÞÅÎÉÑÍÉ (ÎÁÐÒÉÍÅÒ: ËÏÍÍÅÒÞÅÓËÁÑ ÒÅËÌÁÍÁ ÓÏÇÌÁÓÎÏ Ð.3.3 ÎÅ
ÞÁÝÅ 1 ÒÁÚÁ × ÍÅÓÑÃ). ðÒÉ ÐÏ×ÔÏÒÎÙÈ ÎÁÒÕÛÅÎÉÑÈ ÜÔÉ ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÉ ÐÅÒÅ×ÏÄÑÔÓÑ ×
"ÞÅÒÎÙÊ" ÓÐÉÓÏË, ÄÁÖÅ ÅÓÌÉ ÎÏ×ÁÑ ÓÔÁÔØÑ ÓÁÍÁ ÐÏ ÓÅÂÅ ÎÅ Ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ ÄÏÓÔÁÔÏÞÎÙÍ
ÏÓÎÏ×ÁÎÉÅÍ ÄÌÑ ÜÔÏÇÏ.

8.6. äÌÑ ÁÕÔÅÎÔÉÆÉËÁÃÉÉ Á×ÔÏÒÏ× ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ ÍÏÇÕÔ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÔØÓÑ ÌÀÂÙÅ ÓÒÅÄÓÔ×Á É
ÍÅÈÁÎÉÚÍÙ ÐÏ ÕÓÍÏÔÒÅÎÉÀ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÏ×, ×ËÌÀÞÁÑ ÐÁÒÏÌØ, ÃÉÆÒÏ×ÕÀ ÐÏÄÐÉÓØ, ×ÏÚ×ÒÁÔ
ÐÏ ÚÁÒÅÇÉÓÔÒÉÒÏ×ÁÎÎÏÍÕ ÁÄÒÅÓÕ Á×ÔÏÒÁ ÄÌÑ ÐÏÄÔ×ÅÒÖÄÅÎÉÑ, É Ô.Ð. ðÅÒÅÄ ××ÅÄÅÎÉÅÍ ÔÅÈ
ÉÌÉ ÉÎÙÈ ÍÅÈÁÎÉÚÍÏ× ÁÕÔÅÎÔÉÆÉËÁÃÉÉ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÁÍ ÒÅËÏÍÅÎÄÕÅÔÓÑ ÐÒÏ×ÅÓÔÉ ÏÔËÒÙÔÙÅ
ËÏÎÓÕÌØÔÁÃÉÉ Ó ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÁÍÉ ÇÒÕÐÐÙ ÏÔÎÏÓÉÔÅÌØÎÏ ÉÈ ÃÅÌÅÓÏÏÂÒÁÚÎÏÓÔÉ É 
ÏÓÕÝÅÓÔ×ÉÍÏÓÔÉ. ðÏÓÌÅ ××ÏÄÁ ÍÅÈÁÎÉÚÍÏ× ÁÕÔÅÎÔÉÆÉËÁÃÉÉ × ÄÅÊÓÔ×ÉÅ ÉÈ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÏ×ÁÎÉÅ
Ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ ÏÂÑÚÁÔÅÌØÎÙÍ ÄÌÑ ×ÓÅÈ Á×ÔÏÒÏ× ÓÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÊ.

8.7. ë ÎÁÒÕÛÉÔÅÌÑÍ ÕÓÔÁ×Á ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ ÍÏÇÕÔ ÐÒÉÍÅÎÑÔØÓÑ ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÉÅ ÍÅÒÙ ×ÏÚÄÅÊÓÔ×ÉÑ:
 - ÉÓËÌÀÞÅÎÉÅ ÉÚ "ÂÅÌÏÇÏ" ÓÐÉÓËÁ;
 - ×ËÌÀÞÅÎÉÅ × "ÓÅÒÙÊ" ÓÐÉÓÏË (ÐÒÉ ÎÁÌÉÞÉÉ ÔÁËÏ×ÏÇÏ);
 - ×ËÌÀÞÅÎÉÅ × "ÞÅÒÎÙÊ" ÓÐÉÓÏË.

              9. ëïíïäåòáôïòù é áäíéîéóôòáôé÷îùê áäòåó ëïîæåòåîãéé

9.1. ÷ ÎÁÓÔÏÑÝÅÅ ×ÒÅÍÑ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÁÍÉ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ Ñ×ÌÑÀÔÓÑ:
Valentine Iourine 
Yury Voronov 
Andrey Chupikin 

9.2. ëÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÙ ÏÂÑÚÁÎÙ ËÏÏÒÄÉÎÉÒÏ×ÁÔØ ÐÅÒÉÏÄÙ Ó×ÏÅÊ ÁËÔÉ×ÎÏÓÔÉ, ÞÔÏÂÙ ÎÅ
ÄÏÐÕÓËÁÔØ ÚÁÄÅÒÖÅË × ÐÕÂÌÉËÁÃÉÉ ÓÔÁÔÅÊ Ó×ÙÛÅ 1 ÒÁÂÏÞÅÇÏ ÄÎÑ.

9.3. ÷ ÉÓËÌÀÞÉÔÅÌØÎÙÈ ÓÌÕÞÁÑÈ, ËÏÇÄÁ × ÔÅÞÅÎÉÅ ÂÏÌÅÅ ÞÅÍ 1 ÒÁÂÏÞÅÇÏ ÄÎÑ ÎÉ ÏÄÉÎ ÉÚ
ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÏ× ÎÅ ÍÏÖÅÔ ÉÌÉ ÎÅ ÓÍÏÖÅÔ × ÏÂÏÚÒÉÍÏÍ ÂÕÄÕÝÅÍ ÉÓÐÏÌÎÑÔØ Ó×ÏÉ ÆÕÎËÃÉÉ,
ÕÐÒÁ×ÌÅÎÉÅ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÅÊ ÍÏÖÅÔ ÂÙÔØ ÄÅÌÅÇÉÒÏ×ÁÎÏ ËÏÍÕ-ÌÉÂÏ ÉÚ ÐÏÓÔÏÑÎÎÙÈ ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÏ×
ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ, ÓÏÓÔÏÑÝÉÈ × "ÂÅÌÏÍ" ÓÐÉÓËÅ. äÅÌÅÇÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÅ ÐÏÌÎÏÍÏÞÉÊ ÐÒÏÉÚ×ÏÄÉÔÓÑ ÐÏ
ÓÏÇÌÁÓÏ×ÁÎÉÀ ÍÅÖÄÕ ×ÓÅÍÉ ÄÅÊÓÔ×ÕÀÝÉÍÉ ÎÁ ÄÁÎÎÙÊ ÍÏÍÅÎÔ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÁÍÉ ÌÉÂÏ, ÐÒÉ
ÏÔÓÕÔÓÔ×ÉÉ ÔÁËÏ×ÙÈ, ÍÅÖÄÕ ÐÏÓÔÏÑÎÎÙÍÉ ÕÞÁÓÔÎÉËÁÍÉ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ, ÎÁ ÓÒÏË ÎÅ ÂÏÌÅÅ 1
ÍÅÓÑÃÁ.

9.4. óÏÏÂÝÅÎÉÑ, ÁÄÒÅÓÏ×ÁÎÎÙÅ ÎÅÐÏÓÒÅÄÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÁÍ É ÎÅ ÐÒÅÄÎÁÚÎÁÞÅÎÎÙÅ
ÄÌÑ ÒÁÚÍÅÝÅÎÉÑ × ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ, ÓÌÅÄÕÅÔ ÏÔÐÒÁ×ÌÑÔØ ÐÏ ÁÄÒÅÓÕ: rrt-board@gamma.mi.msu.su.
äÁÎÎÙÊ ÁÄÒÅÓ Ñ×ÌÑÅÔÓÑ ÔÅÈÎÉÞÅÓËÉÍ É ÍÏÖÅÔ ÂÙÔØ ÉÚÍÅÎÅÎ ÐÏ ×ÚÁÉÍÎÏÍÕ ÓÏÇÌÁÓÏ×ÁÎÉÀ
ÍÅÖÄÕ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÁÍÉ ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ, ÁÄÍÉÎÉÓÔÒÁÔÏÒÁÍÉ Á×ÔÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÁ É ËÏÏÒÄÉÎÁÔÏÒÏÍ
ÉÅÒÁÒÈÉÉ relcom.*, Ó ÐÕÂÌÉËÁÃÉÅÊ ÓÏÏÔ×ÅÔÓÔ×ÕÀÝÅÇÏ ÉÚ×ÅÝÅÎÉÑ × ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ.

9.5. éÚÍÅÎÅÎÉÅ ÁÄÍÉÎÉÓÔÒÁÔÉ×ÎÏÇÏ ÁÄÒÅÓÁ, ÉÓËÌÀÞÅÎÉÅ ÏÄÎÏÇÏ ÉÌÉ ÎÅÓËÏÌØËÉÈ
ÄÅÊÓÔ×ÕÀÝÉÈ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÏ× É ×ÒÅÍÅÎÎÏÅ ÄÅÌÅÇÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÅ ÐÏÌÎÏÍÏÞÉÊ ËÏÍÏÄÅÒÁÔÏÒÁ ÎÅ
Ñ×ÌÑÀÔÓÑ ÉÚÍÅÎÅÎÉÅÍ ÕÓÔÁ×Á ËÏÎÆÅÒÅÎÃÉÉ É ÐÒÏÉÚ×ÏÄÑÔÓÑ ÂÅÚ ÇÏÌÏÓÏ×ÁÎÉÑ.

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[1] ÷ÒÅÍÅÎÎÏ, ÄÏ ÓÏÓÔÁ×ÌÅÎÉÑ ÉÓÞÅÒÐÙ×ÁÀÝÅÇÏ ÓÐÉÓËÁ, × ËÁÞÅÓÔ×Å ÓÐÒÁ×ÏÞÎÉËÁ
ÏÂÝÅÕÐÏÔÒÅÂÉÔÅÌØÎÏÊ (× ÏÔÌÉÞÉÅ ÏÔ ÎÅÎÏÒÍÁÔÉ×ÎÏÊ) ÄÅÒÏÇÁÔÉ×ÎÏÊ ÌÅËÓÉËÉ ÉÓÐÏÌØÚÕÅÔÓÑ
ÓÌÅÄÕÀÝÁÑ ÍÏÎÏÇÒÁÆÉÑ: áÒÂÁÔÓËÉÊ ì.á. ôÏÌËÏ×ÙÊ ÓÌÏ×ÁÒØ ÒÕÓÓËÏÊ ÂÒÁÎÉ. 2-Å ÉÚÄ. -
í., ïïï éÚÄ-×Ï ñÕÚÁ, 2000, Ó.448.


From: "daniel maillard"
Subject: MAISON LA LONDE VAR

Particulier loue maison à 200m de la plage
renseignements et tarifs sur :
www.lalonde.info




From: "Rob Lawes"
Subject: Bulgaria Information Portal

My Bulgaria has been designed to give you all the information you would ever
need to know about Bulgaria as a country, a travel destination or about
buying property or living there...and anything else for that matter!
www.mybulgaria.info
is quite simply a one-stop location on the Internet for information and
information sources about Bulgaria. Share any news and views in the Forum!



From: "Andreas Kappler"
Subject: Re: Verschenke 2 SCSI-CD-ROM-Laufwerke

Hallo!

Die Laufwerke sind bereits weg.

Gruß, Andreas

"Andreas Kappler"  schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c2uss4$8km$05$1@news.t-online.com...
> Hallo!
>



From: Anh Quan
Subject: V: diverse Computerkabeln und Adapter



Hallo,

beim Aufräumen habe ich folg Sachen noch gefunden:


Adapter:
- Parallel zu COM1   		Neu    	für 2 Euro
- Keyboard DIN zu PS2		Neu	für 2 Euro


Kabeln:
- RGB Monitorkabel 1,8m		Neuwertig für 4 Euro
- 2 x SCSI 50 pol. 55cm 	Neuwertig für 1,5Euro/St.
- 1 x SCSI 50 pol. 80cm		Neuwertig für 1,5Euro/St.
- 2 x SCSI 68 pol. 75cm		Neu	für 2Euro/St.
- Nullmodemkabel? (2gleiche Parallelstecker)   gebraucht für 2 Euro
- 1 Druckerkabel parallel	Neu 	für 2Euro
- SVHS kabel 2m 		neuwertig für 2 Euro


- außerdem 1 Adapter für analoges Telefon. Damit kann man 2 telefone an 
einem Stecker anschließen  gebraucht für 2 Euro.

Die gebrauchten Sachen sind natürlich einwandfrei.

ich habe mich nicht nach den Neupreisen erkundigt. Falls irgendwas zu 
teuer sein sollte, bitte sagen.

Gruß,
AQ
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From: Anh Quan
Subject: Re: V: diverse Computerkabeln und Adapter


sorry, email adresse war leider falsch.

jetzt müsste es richtig sein :-)

gruß,
AQ


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From: "Holger Simm"
Subject: Super PC 2GHz, 512 MB RAM + 19" Monitor usw.

Hallo
Ich habe einen 2 GHz PC mit Intel 4 Proz., 512 MB DDR RAM, TV Karte,
Netzwerk, DVD, Brenner usw. top eingerichtet mit sehr vielen Programmen und
Win. XP.
Dazu einen Philips 19" Monitor mit LightFrame 2, alles ca. 1 Jahr alt und in
einem super Zustand.
Im Paket wäre auch die Tastatur, Funkmaus und noch ein hp Drucker.
Ich habe keine Preisvorstellungen.
Bei Interesse bitte eine Mail an: divesimm@web.de
oder Mobil: 0173-8851146



From: "Franz Conradi"
Subject: Re: Super PC 2GHz, 512 MB RAM + 19" Monitor usw.


"Holger Simm"  schrieb

[....]

> Ich habe keine Preisvorstellungen.

http://www.pc-bewertung.de/cgi-bin/pcb/formular.pl

HTH

Franz



From: "Adrian M. Hanslik"
Subject: V: Bücher ab 3.- EUR (u.a. Informatik)

Biete folgende Bücher an jeweils plus Porto.
Ausführliche Beschreibung inkl. ISBN im nachfolgenden.

C/C++
Java 2
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Informatik-Handbuch
Vom Problem zum Programm
Parallele Programmierkonzepte
Compilerbau - Grundlagen, Methoden, Werkzeuge
JavaScrpt 1.3 - Dynamisches Web-Publishing - Kompendium
Delphi 3 Komponentenentwicklung
Delphi 3
Online Recht - Rechtsfragen im Internet
Official Microsoft HTML Help Authoring Kit
Turbo Pascal 6.0 Tool Box
Borland Pascal 7.0 Programmierung
Datenstrukturen objektorientiert mit Modula-2
Ju-Jutsu 3
Recht & Gesetz online
Newton & die Schwerkraft
Turing & der Computer

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C/C++
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ISBN: 9783827261212
NP: 9,95 EUR
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Einführung in die Automatentheorie, Formale Sprachen und Komplexitätstheorie
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ISBN: 3893197443
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Innen sehr guter Zustand, außen Gebrauchsspuren
ISBN: 3519122421
NP: ???
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Parallele Programmierkonzepte
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Franzis'
5'25"-Diskette
Sehr guter Zustand
ISBN: 9783772377020
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Compilerbau - Grundlagen, Methoden, Werkzeuge
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ISBN: 3446152458
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JavaScrpt 1.3 - Dynamisches Web-Publishing - Kompendium
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CD
Sehr guter Zustand
ISBN: 3827258189
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Delphi 3 Komponentenentwicklung
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CD
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Delphi 3
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dpunkt.verlag
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Official Microsoft HTML Help Authoring Kit
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Microsoft Press
CD
Innen sehr guter Zustand, außen Gebrauchsspuren
ISBN: 1572316039
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Turbo Pascal 6.0 Tool Box
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5'25"-Diskette
Sehr guter Zustand
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Sehr guter Zustand
ISBN: 3883224324
NP: 88.- DM
FP: 3.- EUR

--------------------------------------------------

Datenstrukturen objektorientiert mit Modula-2
Werner Burhenne, Heinz-Erich Erbs
B.G. Teubner Stuttgart
-
Sehr guter Zustand
ISBN: 3519029847
NP: ???
FP: 5.- EUR

--------------------------------------------------

Ju-Jutsu 3
W. Heim, F.J. Gresch
Falken
-
Innen sehr guter Zustand, außen Gebrauchsspuren
ISBN: 9783806804850
NP: 19,80 DM
FP: 3.- EUR

--------------------------------------------------

Recht & Gesetz online
Jörg Krichbaum
Arcum Vectrum
-
Sehr guter Zustand
ISBN: 9783930912940
NP: 19,80 DM
FP: 3.- EUR

--------------------------------------------------

Newton & die Schwerkraft
Paul Strathern
Fischer
-
Sehr guter Zustand
ISBN: 9783596141166
NP: 12,90 DM
FP: 3.- EUR

--------------------------------------------------

Turing & der Computer
Paul Strathern
Fischer
-
Sehr guter Zustand
ISBN: 9783596141135
NP: 12,90 DM
FP: 3.- EUR




From: "Thomas Schilk"
Subject: V: Notebook / Laptop

Gericom Masterpiece 2240XL
40 GB HDD
512 MB SO-DDR-RAM
P4 2,4 GHz mit Speedstep (schaltet im Akkubetrieb runter)
DVD-RW Brenner (1/2/16/10 -RW/-R/CD-R/CD-RW)
64 MB shared Memory
4 x USB
1 x VGA
1 x PCMCIA
1 x Druckeranschluss
1 x SVideo-Ausgang
1 x 10/100 LAN Anschluss
1 x Modemanschluss (integriertes Modem)
1 x Infrarot-Sender/Empfänger
1 x Kopfhörer-Ausgang
1 x Mikrophon-Eingang

Zubehör:
Tasche, Betriebsanleitung, Akku, Netzteil, WinXP home OEM, PCMCIA USB 2.0
Firewire Combo Karte, Treiber CD

VBH 900 Euro.

Bei Interesse bitte per Mail melden. Danke.
__________________________________________________________________ Thomas
Schilk Student @ FHF ICQ#: 152451832 - Current ICQ status:
schlikkes@freenet.de
__________________________________________________________________



From: "Reinhold Gerlinger"
Subject: B : ISA-Parallelkarte 16-Bit

Hallo,
biete folgende Steckkarte :

Die EX-4003 16-Bit 1P Parallelkarte ist mit einem EPP/ECP Bi-Direktionalen
Cen-tronics Interface ausgestattet. Die EX-4003 verfügt über eine 25 Pin
D-SUB Buchse für den Anschluss von Peripheriegeräten mit Standard oder
Enhanced Centronics Parallel Interface (Printer, Scanner, ZIP Laufwerk
usw.).
Die EX-4003 ist mit einem Adress-Decoder ausgestattet, der es Ihnen
ermöglicht, alle Standard I/O Adressen auf einfache und problemlose Art
einzustellen. Der Parallel Ausgang kann wahlweise mit den I/O Adressen 3BC
(LPT1), 378 (LPT2), 278 (LPT3), 268 (LPT4), 27C (LPT5), oder 26C (LPT6)
betrieben werden. Ausser-dem können zu den I/O Adressen folgende neun
Interrupts (IRQ 3, 4, 5, 7, 9, 10, 11, 12, 15) und zwei DMA Adressen (DACK /
DRQ) eingestellt werden. Der Aus-gang kann bei Bedarf abgeschaltet werden.
Treiber-CD fuer Win 95/98

2.- EUR plus 1,50 EUR Versand.

Bei antworten bitte "newsgroups" durch "reinhold.gerlinger" ersetzen.

Gruesse

Reinhold Gerlinger


From: "Thomas Schilk"
Subject: V: DSL-Set

bestehend aus DSL-Router, DSL-Modem, Splitter und Netzwerkkabeln.
(1 Uplink Kabel Modem-Router, 1x 5m LAN-Kabel, 1x 10m LAN-Kabel)

Verkauf gegen Höchstgebot, da ich keine Ahnung habe, was ein realistischer
Verkaufspreis dafür wäre...
__________________________________________________________________ Thomas
Schilk Student @ FHF ICQ#: 152451832 - Current ICQ status:
schlikkes@freenet.de
__________________________________________________________________



From: "Claus Eggers"
Subject: V: Bücher zum Apache Webserver

Hallo,

ich verkaufe folgende, sehr gut erhaltene (kein Eselsohren, Kaffeeflecken
etc.)
Bücher zum Apache Webserver:

Apache Webserver 2.0 von Thomas Becker (Sybex Verlag)
zum Nachschlagen. Das 2-in-1 Kombi-Buch
1. Ausführliche Schritt für Schritt Anleitungen
2. Referenz: Wichtiges von A-Z
Neupreis: 9,95 Euro


Apache für Dummies von Kai "Oswald" Seidler, Kay Vogelsang
(mitp-Verlag) mit unbenutzter CD
- Den Webserver unter Linux und WIndows installieren
- Serverseitiges Programmieren mit Apache
- Apache in Kooperation mit andren Servern
Neupreis 24,95 Euro

Preis zusammen 17,50 Euro + Versandkosten
(ohne VK bei Vorkasse)

Gruss
Claus





From: alfons moehlenkamp
Subject: V: SCSI MO Laufwerk 128 MB incl. drei 128 MB MO Medien

Hallo

ich verkaufe ein gebrauchtes, aber 100 % funktionsfähiges Toshiba OD-D300
SCSI MO Laufwerk, extern, eingebaut in einem 3,5 Zoll SCSI-Gehäuse, mit
drei MO 128 MB Medien und Netzkabel.

Preisvorstellung 25 Euro incl. Versandkosten

Alfons

From: Thomas Kobler
Subject: V: SCSI-Scanner und Farbdrucker (Tintenstrahl)


   Hi!

   Epson Stylus Color 460 und Plustek Optic Pro 19200S
   incl. PCI SCSI Karte und Kabel fuer zusammen Euro VB 75,-

   Beide Geraete voll funktionsfaehig und noch in Betrieb.
   Scanner recht schnell, da SCSI. Kompatibel zu Artec AM12S
   (XP-Treiber).
   Drucker noch mit weiterer Farb-Patrone und Druckerkabel.

   Bilder auf Anfrage.

   München Freimann oder Post


From: "Markus Sehrbrock"
Subject: Re: Super PC 2GHz, 512 MB RAM + 19" Monitor usw.


"Franz Conradi"  schrieb im Newsbeitrag news:c31sr1$mgu$04$1@news.t-online.com...
>
> "Holger Simm"  schrieb
>
> [....]
>
> > Ich habe keine Preisvorstellungen.
>
> http://www.pc-bewertung.de/cgi-bin/pcb/formular.pl
>
> HTH
>
> Franz
>
Hallo Franz,

super Seite, danke für den Tip.
Markus


From: Thomas Kobler
Subject: V: SCSI LVD Kabel intern, incl. act. Terminator LVD/SE

	
   ca. 1,20m 4 Geraete (5 Stecker HD68) Leitungspaare verdrillt.

   VB 30,-

   Muenchen, oder Post, Bild auf Anfrage.


From: j wenke
Subject: Thinkpad 600: empfehlbare DVD-Laufwerk-Modelle?

Hallo,
hat jemand eine Empfehlung für ein DVD-Lw.
Es kann auch ein älteres, bewährtes Modell sein.
Ich wollte das Notebook (600E) (auch)
als DVD-Player an ein TV anschließen.

Danke für ein Empfehlung,
Jörg

From: Meinolf Sander
Subject: V: Druckerpatrone HP C1816A

Verkaufe obige ovp. Druckerpatrone für HP DeskJets 690C, 693C
und 694C für EUR 7,50 inkl. Versand.
Als Mindesthaltbarkeitsdatum ist auf der Verpackung 03/1999
angegeben. Da sie aber immer trocken und dunkel gelagert wurde,
sollte es keine Probleme beim Drucken geben.

Bei Interesse bitte Mail ans »Reply-To:«.
-- 
You will hear good news from one you thought unfriendly to you.

From: "Franz Conradi"
Subject: S: Je eine leere HP Tintenpatrone Nr. 27 + 28...

...für einen HP 3325 zur Funktionsprüfung. (Natürlich gegen
Versandkostenerstattung)

Der steht bei mir hier ungenutzt herum und bevor ich ihn meiner Nachbarin
schenke, möchte ich dann doch schon wissen, ob der überhaupt funktioniert,
bevor sie sich die teuren Patronen für dieses Gerät kauft.

Gruß
Franz

f'up2 poster




From: Clive Dullek
Subject: Re: V: DSL-Set

Thomas Schilk wrote:

> bestehend aus DSL-Router, DSL-Modem, Splitter und Netzwerkkabeln.
> (1 Uplink Kabel Modem-Router, 1x 5m LAN-Kabel, 1x 10m LAN-Kabel)
> 
> Verkauf gegen Höchstgebot, da ich keine Ahnung habe, was ein realistischer
> Verkaufspreis dafür wäre...

Na, da musst Du es wohl bei epay anbieten...

Clive

-- 
Mailadresse korrekt, gültig und wird 100%ig gelesen!

From: "Alexander Fuchs"
Subject: S: altes Laptop für Router/FW

ich suche noch Hardware für meine Linux-basierte Firewall.

Am besten wäre ein altes Laptop

Anforderungen:

>=100MHz
>=32MB
-2x PCMCIA
- CD-ROM, auch bootbar
- HDD 1-3 GB
- LEISE!
- voll funktionsfähig => stabil!
- Display kann ruhig defekt sein, aber Betrieb am externen Monitor sollte
funzen
- Netzteil ist Pflicht, Akku von mir aus leer.

Also: Bietet mal Eure alten Schätzchen an :-)



From: Stephan Mees
Subject: Re: Thinkpad 600: empfehlbare DVD-Laufwerk-Modelle?

Hi,

j wenke schrieb am 15 Mrz 2004:
> hat jemand eine Empfehlung für ein DVD-Lw.
> Es kann auch ein älteres, bewährtes Modell sein.
> Ich wollte das Notebook (600E) (auch)
> als DVD-Player an ein TV anschließen.

hier im 600 und 600E:
Matsushita (Panasonic?)SR8174-H
 
> Danke für ein Empfehlung,

kein Problem

Stephan

From: "Ralf Pogorzelski"
Subject: Sockel7-AT-Board oder Grafikkarte TNT PCI gesucht

Hi !

Suche zum Aufrüsten eines alten PC´s entweder :

- Ein Sockel7 Board für AT-Gehäuse mit AGP-Steckplatz

oder

- Eine Grafikkarte Riva TNT oder ATI Rage mit mindestens 16 MB.

Danke für Angebote
Gruß
Ralf







From: alfons moehlenkamp
Subject: V: externes SCSI =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Geh=E4use?= mit Syquest Laufwerk

Hallo

ich habe hier noch ein massives externes SCSI Gehäuse mit einem
wahrscheinlich defekten 44 MB Syquest Laufwerk. Angeboten wird daher nur
das Gehäuse, das Laufwerk gibt es kostenlos dazu. 
Das Gehause hat einen Netzschalter, ID-Schalter und zwei 50 polige
Anschlüsse (sehen aus wie Parallel-Port)

Preisvorstellung 10 Euro incl. Versand als Paket (da über 2 kg)

Alfons

From: "Uwe Arnold"
Subject: [S] MS Excel ab 97

Hallo Leute,

suche wie im Betreff angegeben, allerdings nur eine
originale, unregistrierte Vollversion (CoA muß da sein).
Ein Small-Office ab 97 geht auch.

Gruß Uwe




From: "Uwe Arnold"
Subject: Re: [S] MS Excel ab 97

Bitte nospam entfernen (=aha@...) Danke und Gruß.

"Uwe Arnold"  schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:c37icg$14d6$1@ulysses.news.tiscali.de...
> Hallo Leute,
>
> suche wie im Betreff angegeben, allerdings nur eine
> originale, unregistrierte Vollversion (CoA muß da sein).
> Ein Small-Office ab 97 geht auch.
>
> Gruß Uwe
>
>
>



From: Georg Mildenberger
Subject: Re: Sockel7-AT-Board oder Grafikkarte TNT PCI gesucht

"Ralf Pogorzelski"  wrote in 
news:c370it$urd$05$1@news.t-online.com:

> Hi !
> 
> Suche zum Aufrüsten eines alten PC´s entweder :
> 
> - Ein Sockel7 Board für AT-Gehäuse mit AGP-Steckplatz
> 
> oder
> 
> - Eine Grafikkarte Riva TNT oder ATI Rage mit mindestens 16 MB.

Hallo Ralf,

täte es eine VANTA?

Gruß
Georg

From: Joachim Berlich
Subject: S: USB Soundkarte und TV Karte

Hallo
suche eine USB-Soundkarte und ebenso eine USB-TV Karte, wohne im Saarland.

Gruß
Joachim

From: "Tarkan Efe"
Subject: V: Memory Stick

Verkaufe Sony Memory Stick  256 MB RAM
MSX 256 Pro
(Noch unbenutzt)
Preis: 80 Euro

Bei Interesse bitte mail an tarkan_efe@web.de

Gruß
Tarkan



From: webmaster@moneyhai.de (Jackson)
Subject: Re: Sockel7-AT-Board oder Grafikkarte TNT PCI gesucht

Schonma hier geschaut:
http://partners.webmasterplan.com/click.asp?ref=113914&site=1382&type=text&tnb=23&prd=yes&srchdesc=N&itf=0&category0=160&minprice=&maxprice=&query=Riva
TNT

From: Oliver Scheel
Subject: V: Verschenke diverse Buecher (ATARI, Windows 3, Motif, UNIX)

Ich habe hier noch ein paar Antiquitäten herumliegen und bevor ich sie
wegschmeiße, frage ich doch kurz mal hier, ob jemand noch Verwendung dafür
hat:

ATARI:

- Der DataBecker-Führer: Atari ST, DataBecker
- GEM für den Atari 520ST, M&T
- GEM, DataBecker-Verlag
- GEM Programmierhandbuch, Sybex
- ATARI ST - Tips und Tools zu C, Sybex
- ATARI ST Profibuch, Sybex, 1. Auflage
- FORTH on the ATARI, Hofacker
- Scheibenkleister II, Massenspeicher am ATARI ST
- Das große Calamus-Buch, DataBecker
- Phoenix (Datenbank), Der Schnelleinstieg, DataBecker

Windows:

- Windows (Version 3) Intern, DataBecker
- "Das große Buch zur" ;-) Windows 3 Programm-Entwicklung, DataBecker
- "Das große" ;-) DR DOS 6.0 Buch, DataBacker
- PC-Speed gewußt wie, Heim Verlag
- Take-Off "Das große Buch zum" PC-Flugsimulator Version 4.0 (von MS)
- Der DataBecker-Führer: PC System Programmierung

UNIX:

- The Complete FreeBSD von Greg Lehey (vielleicht finde ich auch noch die
CD-ROMs)
- UNIX von Jürgen Gulbins, 3. Auflage, Springer-Verlag
- Programmieren mit OSD/Motif, Sybex
- Programmieren mit OSD/Motif Version 2, Sybex
- OSF/Motif und das X-Window System

Sonstiges:

- ABAP/4 Workbench Grundlagen, DEKRA-Training, Prentice Hall

Bei Interesse Mail an mich. Kann dann entweder in München (Wörthstr.)
abgeholt werden oder wird unfrei als Paket/Päckchen verschickt.

Oliver Scheel



From: Achim Sieker
Subject: S56K-PC-Card-Modem:

Hallo,
Modem sollte Hayes-kompatibel sein und das passende TAE-Anschlusskabel 
dabei sein.

Gruß
Achim


From: "Tarkan Efe"
Subject: V: Orig Sony MemoryStick 256 MB Neu

Hi ich verkaufe einen Orig. Sony Memorystick 256 MB pro
bezeichnung MSX 256 MB Pro

der stick ist noch neu und unbenutzt

Könnt ihr für 80 EUR haben , ich kann es auch versenden entweder verichert
oder unversichert für 2 EUR.

mailt mir
tarkan_efe@web.de



From: Holger Jehle
Subject: V: PC komplett 500MHz mit TV-Karte

Hallo,

ich habe hier einen PC zu verkaufen:

Intel Celeron 500MHz 
128 MByte Ram
ATI Rage AGP Grafikkarte
10/100 MBit/s Netzwerkkarte (Realtek-Chipsatz)
Hauppauge Win/TV Karte
Sound Onboard

8 GigaByte Maxtor IDE Festplatte (getestet mit Powermax)
52X IDE-CDrom-Laufwerk

Windows 95 installiert, Lizenz inklusive!

System ist laut pcbewertung.de ca. 130 Euro Wert

für 100.- im Münchner Norden abzuholen 
oder zuzügl. Versandkosten (ca. 10-13Eur)

Gruß,
Holger

-- 
please reply to jehle (at) in (dot) tum (dot) de

From: "Guido Baumann"
Subject: V: Rademacher 9205 plus Rolladenautomat

Verkauf obigen gebrauchten Rolladenautomat,
funktioniert ohne Probleme.
Weitere Infos gibt es auf www.rademacher.de
also mit LCD-Display und für den großen Rolladenschacht.
UVP 249 Euro

Zu haben für 115 Euro zuzügl. Versand.

Gruß Guido
Bei Antwort nur GuidoBaumann(ät)gmx.de



From: Thorsten Simon
Subject: Re: V: Rademacher 9205 plus Rolladenautomat

Hi,

Guido Baumann schrieb:
> Verkauf obigen gebrauchten Rolladenautomat,
> funktioniert ohne Probleme.
Ist der für AT- oder ATX-Tower?

Gruß,
       Thorsten


From: "Guido Baumann"
Subject: Re: V: Rademacher 9205 plus Rolladenautomat

>
> Guido Baumann schrieb:
> > Verkauf obigen gebrauchten Rolladenautomat,
> > funktioniert ohne Probleme.
> Ist der für AT- oder ATX-Tower?

Ooops, ja steinigt mich ;-))

Gruß Guido

PS: Bei nem Bigtower, mit Sonnensensor sollte das ganze funktionieren.



From: "Christian Leson"
Subject: V: einige Hardware

Hallo,
verkaufe Folgendes, Preise sind in Klammern und VHB:

Celeron 366 + Lüfter + Motherboard MSI 6178 + 64MB Speicher	(25)
externes Iomega ZIP 100, SCSI, Frontklappe locker (7)
Logitech USB Maus, optisch, Scrollrad angeknabbert (3)
Slotadapter, Slot1 -> Sockel370, MGH018-187 (2)
Adaptec AHA 2940, SCSI-Controller PCI (7)
MSI MS-8831, Geforce 2 Pro, 64MB, AGP 4x, TV-Out (15)
Teles S0 16/3, ISA ISDN-Karte (2)
2x 3com Netzwerkkarte 3c905-TX (je 5)
3com Netzwerkkarte 3c905B-TX (5)
Prolink Geforce 2, 64MB, AGP 4x, TV-Out (15)
128MB PC133, Spektek (10)
TNT2 Grafikkarte, AGP, 32MB, wahrscheinlich defekt (nix)
Festplatte ST 34520W, Wide SCSI, 4,3GB (8)
Festplatte WDE 4360, Wide SCSI, 4,3GB (8)
CD-ROM Plextor Ultraplex 40max, 40fach, SCSI (10)
CD-ROM Toshiba 5701B, 12fach, SCSI (6)
CD-ROM Noname, 48fach, IDE (7)
Netzteil 300W ATX, Codegen (10)
CD Jewelcases 50 Stück oder mehr (zusammen 7)

Da käme noch Porto dazu oder an Selbstabholer in 45739.
  
  X'Post  +  F'up2p
  
--  
Christian.

From: "Christian Leson"
Subject: Re: V: einige Hardware

"Christian Leson" schrieb:

> MSI MS-8831, Geforce 2 Pro, 64MB, AGP 4x, TV-Out (15)
> Prolink Geforce 2, 64MB, AGP 4x, TV-Out (15)
> Netzteil 300W ATX, Codegen (10)

Die sind schon weg.
  
  X'Post  +  F'up2p
  
-- 
Christian.

From: alfons moehlenkamp
Subject: V: Suse Linux 9.0 Professional Update

Hallo

ich verkaufe das Suse Linux 9.0 Professional Update, incl. DVD-ROM, die fünf
CD-ROMS, die Anywhere CD-ROM und das Administrationshandbuch.
Preisvorstellung incl. Versandkosten 40 Euro

Alfons

From: muck.heinz@nurfuerspam.de (Muck Heinz)
Subject: V: Apple Macintosh G3 b/w 350, 896MB Ram, 130GB HDD, SCSI, Serial

Hallo,
habe hier den folgenden Rechner abzugeben:
G3 350 b/w (blau / weiß), 350 MHz G3 Prozessor, 896 MB Ram, 130 GB
Festplatten (100GB + 30 GB), DVD-Laufwerk, ZIP 250-Laufwerk, SCSI,
Serial Stealth-Port, 2x FireWire, 2x USB. Anfragen bitte per Email an:
apple_g3_350@o2online.de

From: "Werner Christiani"
Subject: S: Toner für HP LaserJet 4L

Suche preiswerte Toner Cartridge HP9227A (oder äquivalente)
für meinen Laserdrucker HP LaserJet 4L

 (passt auch zu LaserJet 4 J, 4 ML, 4 MP, 4 P)

Angebote bitte an:

werner.christiani@t-online.de



From: Ingo Radau
Subject: S: AMD Athlon 1000/133...

Hi!

...oder etwas darüber. Funktionstüchtig und nicht übertaktet und
möglichst mit passendem Lüfter.

Gruß
 Ingo

From: alfons moehlenkamp
Subject: V: externes ZIP Plus 100 MB Laufwerk (Parallel und SCSI =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Anschlu=DF=29?=

Hallo

ich verkaufe ein externes ZIP 100 MB Laufwerk, SCSI und Paralleport-Anschluß
incl. 100 MB Mediun, Autodetect-Kabel und Netzteil. Das Laufwerk
funktioniert 100 %-ig, das Medien ist neu formatiert worden.

Preisvorstellung 25 Euro incl. Versandkosten

Alfons

From: "Heinrich Gölz"
Subject: S: AMD Prozessoren

Hallo liebe Leutz,


ich suche folgende CPU´s:

AMD Athlon,  Sockel A 3,3V , FSB 100MHZ    1,2 GHz

AMD Duron , Sockel A , 3,3V , FSB 100MHz   1,0 GHz

Nichts übertaktetes An CPU´s



                       Mit freundlichen Grüssen

                                Heinrich Gölz


                        Heinrich.Goelz@t-online.de



From: alfons moehlenkamp
Subject: V: vier 16 MB PS/2

Hallo

ich verkaufe vier 16 MB PS/2 Speichermodule, getestet, funktionieren
einwandfrei.
Preisvorstellung 10 Euro zuzüglich halbe Versandkosten

Alfons

From: "Martin Kudlik"
Subject: V: Router (NEU) Cisco 1700 + WLAN Modul

Hallo,

verkaufe NEUEN Cisco 1700 Router inkl. WLAN Modul. Gerät wurde für ein
Projekt gekauft, welches auf Eis gelegt wurde. NP: 999 EUR --> VHB: 450 EUR
inkl. Versand (Vorkasse oder Nachname)

Infos unter:
http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/cc/pd/rt/1700/index.shtml

Bei Intersse einfach melden! Preis ist wie gesagt Verhandlungssache

Gruß,
Martin




From: "Martin Kudlik"
Subject: V: SUN PCI 1 Karten (Original Verpackt)

Hallo,

ich Verkaufe 2x SUN PCI 1 Karten. Hiermit läßt sich in jeder SUN Worksation
(Ultra 5/10, Blade 100 .....) ein eigensändiger PC integrieren.

Die Karten sind mit einem PII 400MHz und 64MB PC100 RAM bestückt.


Preis pro Karte : 25 EUR zzgl. Versand
beide Karten zusammen 45 EUR inkl. Versand!

Gruß,
Martin



From: "Martin Kudlik"
Subject: V: SUN Festplatten & Speicher

Hallo,

ich verkaufe mehrere gebrauchte SUN Festplatten und SUN Arbeitsspeicher:

1x Original Verpackt 9GB Seagate IDE + Rahmen für Ultra
  --> 25 EUR
10x SUN 2GB Ultra Wide SCSI HDs (Seagate
        --> je 20 EUR
      ModelNr. ST34501WC) mit Original SUN Einbaurahmen

5x  256MB Kit (2x128 MB)    SUN P/N:  370 - 3798 - 01   für je 80 EUR
5x 128 MB Kit (2x 64 MB)    SUN P/N: 370 - 3289 - 01     für je 40 EUR
5x 64MB Kit (2x32 MB)        SUN P/N: 370 - 3198 - 01     für je 20 EUR

hierbei handelt es sich bei allem um original SUN Hardware. Die Einzelteile
stammen alle sammt aus Workstations der Ultra 10 Klasse, sind aber zur Ultra
5 voll kompatibel! Die gesamte Hardware ist ca. 3 Jahre alt oder jünger.


--> alles zzgl. der tatsächlich anfallenden Versandkosten (Vorkasse bzw.
Nachname) !
--> Bei Abnahme von mehreren teilen wird ein "Mengenrabatt" gewährt.

Gruß,
Martin




From: Rene Buchinski
Subject: Memory High Rise Card for IMB PC Server 520 MZx Models

Bei antwort bitte "nospam" entfernen!

  Hallo,

  Ich suche f=FCr ein IBM PC Server 520 Mainboard die Slotkarte, auf der
  das RAM gesockelt wird. Meine Slotcard ist leider defekt.
  Das Board hat auch leider keine Beschreibung.
  Somit bin ich ein wenig ratlos.

  F=FCr Hinweise (links) oder Angebote oder auch nur Tipps bin ich offen.=


  Ebay habe ich nach stichworten abgegrast, aber es scheint dort=20
nichts 		 zu sein, oder?

Genaue Bezeichnung laut IBM ist:

Index for System Unit PC Server 520 Type 8641 (MZ0, MZS, MZE, MZL, MZV)

Memory High Rise Card for Models  MZx
FRU No.: 96G1339

MFG Rene

From: info@apartexchange.com (Christine Le Dreo)
Subject: Sale: Beautiful apartment in central Paris, view of Eiffel tower, owned by famous Hollywood actress

Hello All,

Following is the description of the property. It is in the poshest
area in the heart of Paris, France.

Dupleix apartment near Trocadero with excellent view of Eiffel tower
from all windows.

Belonging previously to famous Hollywood actress. 

Apartment on two top floors (7th & 8th) in ancient building made of
Pierre de Taille (freestone). South-facing. With lift, conciergerie
(doorman) & security code. In the posh area of 16th arrondissement
(proche Trocadero). Close to shopping districts, doctors, hospital,
cafés, restaurants, museums and parks & gardens (Bois de Boulogne and
Jardin de Ranelagh).

Oak parquet floors everywhere and ceramic mosaic floors in kitchen &
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From: Thad Beier
Subject: Re: cineon & bit depth (yet again - LONG)

David Hodson wrote:
> Hi Mitch,
> 
>   I can answer most of your questions about Cineon files, but maybe
> someone else could describe current practice...
> 
> Mitch Deoudes wrote:
> 
>> So we start off with cineon files from the film scanner, which are
>> 10-bit log data.  My understanding is that converting to linear data
>> entails a well-defined function of:
>>
>>     1) the film gamma (typically .6)
>>     2) the display gamma (traditionally 1.7 for the Cineon system?  But
>> for a typical monitor, it should be the inverse of 2.2 = 1/2.2 = 0.45.)
>>     3) some arbitrary black and white points (typically 90 & 685, or
>> thereabouts)
> 
> 
> Yes, roughly.
> 
> The black and white points aren't quite arbitrary. The white point
> is set at the density of a 90% white card on a normally exposed
> negative, and the black point is set so that black to white spans
> a contrast range (roughly) the same as a standard monitor.

Nice short description.


> 
>> Here's the odd part (from my perspective) - standard operating procedure
>> on Flame, in order to avoid losing data, is to keep the 10log cineon
>> data in log space (padded out to 12 bits or converted to 8 bits
>> internally, depending on your project settings), and use *linear*
>> compositing operations on the *log* data.  Flame jockeys just get used
>> to the knobs having a different effect than if they were operating on
>> linear files.
> 
> 
> Yup. The Cineon compositing system originally did the same - log to
> linear conversions were only added after the first couple of releases.
> Remarkably, it worked just fine much of the time, although linearising
> the data does make some difficult tasks much easier.
> 

I wouldn't have believed that the Cineon system did that, if everything
else you said wasn't so authoritative.  The Kodak people know color better
than anybody else on the planet, I can't believe they'd endorse a system
that used linear mathematics on log data.  Amazing.
It is true that most people do exactly this, though.  It's disgusting.

>> What I'm hearing from folks is that in the real world what happens is
>> that the 3d elements get converted to log, then the usual linear
>> compositing ops are used.  To correct for the fact that the math is
>> wrong at this point, compositors just fiddle around with gamma curves on
>> the alpha channels until the result looks right (i.e. no edge
>> artifacts).  This seems like utter insanity to someone with a degree in
>> CS, and not in fine arts - but I'm keeping my mouth shut.
> 
> 
> Yup. I would hope by now that everything would be converted to high
> precision linear, but if you're stuck with 12 bits (or even 8), it
> probably makes sense to do it that way. I will defer to anyone with
> more recent experience, though.

What people are starting to do now is work in floating point color
space.  The OpenEXR format is a great format for storing high-dynamic
range floating point data, and the 16-bit floating point data format
is a really remarkably good way to represent intensities.  You get
10 bits (1024 steps) of intensity per binary octave, and get a
reasonably large dynamic range.  It uses the 16 bits very well.
It also is the format that NVidia supports in their newer hardware.
You will see hardware-assisted high-dynamic-range floating-point
compositors very soon now.

http://www.openexr.org is the website for OpenEXR.  They've just
released a new version with tiling and other sweet features.

> 
>> Renderman allows for rendering direct to cineon,
>> but doesn't support alpha channels in this mode.  [...] I
>> suppose it's possible to produce two 10bit log cineon files, one with
>> rgb, and one with just alpha in the color channels (e.g. you could do
>> this in shake, from the original 16bit tiffs) - preserving the full
>> range of data, but is that overkill?
> 
Ick.  Render to OpenEXR.  Really.  There are renderman plugins
to do this.

Cineon is used to match what film can capture and display.  But
when you are rendering CG images, it makes no sense to limit yourself
to that range.  If highlights are 1,000,000 times brighter than the
shadows, you should be able to represent that in your rendered images.
Somewhere downstream in the compositing process, that extended dynamic
range might be extremely useful.

> 
> Theoretically, it is possible to create a four channel Cineon file,
> but in practice I doubt that anything could read it. You should be
> able to create a single channel file for the alpha, but the data
> will probably be interpreted as (logarithmic) monochrome image data,
> rather than as a linear key. The Cineon file format is worse than
> TIFF - there are a gazillion options in the header, but only four
> combinations are ever used, and one is far more common than all
> the others.
>
My own internal software at Hammerhead supports Cineon-with-Alpha, using
the standard they call out.  From what I hear, though, even the Cineon
system didn't support it -- and I know for a fact that Cinesite's film
output did not care for images with alpha at all.  It's a horrible format,
I just include it for completeness.

Thad

From: Mark Spatny
Subject: Congratulations LOTR:ROTK VFX crew


A well deserved Oscar (again!). Fantastic job. 

I can't wait to see the extra effects in the extended DVD.

From: David Hodson
Subject: Re: cineon & bit depth (yet again - LONG)

Thad Beier wrote:

> I wouldn't have believed that the Cineon system did that, if everything
> else you said wasn't so authoritative.  The Kodak people know color better
> than anybody else on the planet, I can't believe they'd endorse a system
> that used linear mathematics on log data.  Amazing.

Well, in their (our) defense - it was a very early system, we were
in a hurry to release a working product, memory and processing power
were both scarce, and no one realised just how extensive the
processing was going to get. Later releases quickly added log to
linear conversions.

Plus, the monitors were very well calibrated, so you could always
see what would appear on film. If it didn't look right, you could
tweak it until it did, and trust the film output would look the
same. (Well, _very_ nearly.)

And, as I said - most of the time, it worked. And it was massively
easier than optical. Hard to believe that it was only ten years ago.

> Cineon is used to match what film can capture and display.  But
> when you are rendering CG images, it makes no sense to limit yourself
> to that range.  If highlights are 1,000,000 times brighter than the
> shadows, you should be able to represent that in your rendered images.
> Somewhere downstream in the compositing process, that extended dynamic
> range might be extremely useful.

Exactly. Cineon format is perfect for film input and output. For
image generation, or processing, you should use all the dynamic
range you can get.

-- 
David Hodson  --  this night wounds time


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Subject: Help make movie and internet history!

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From: forkazoo2@aol.com (Will R)
Subject: Re: cineon & bit depth (yet again - LONG)

>I wouldn't have believed that the Cineon system did that, if everything
>else you said wasn't so authoritative.  The Kodak people know color better
>than anybody else on the planet, I can't believe they'd endorse a system
>that used linear mathematics on log data.  Amazing.
>It is true that most people do exactly this, though.  It's disgusting.

I couldn't find too much information whilst googling, but according to this:
http://home.earthlink.net/~brucegoren/WritingSamples/CINESITE.htm
we are talking about 400 MB of RAM, and ~ 15 MB/sec to storage.

Assuming ~40 MB is the amount of space needed for ten bit log, and that we
would linearise to sixteen bits.  That'd be 64 MB for the linearised image. 
Thus, we could fit ten full frames in memory in log, or about 6 in linear. 
Just for kicks and giggles, assume that we have both the original log image,
*plus* the linearised image stored in memory simultaneously for some reason. 
That'd come to a combined 104 MB per frame.  Or, three full frames in memory.

While, certainly, doing log-only was insanely crufty, by any measure, trying to
do full-res work on a system of the era was not an especially convenient hing
to do.  Don't forget about the time needed to actually *compute* the
conversion.

(Yes, yes, I know all of you are wanting to throw heavy things at me, while
shouting that you could always just work in a lower resolution.  The basic
point remains valid, even if you are talking about 12 frames instead of 3.)

If they had Opteron systems with gigs of RAM, and drive arrays that could
easily push high resolution images when they first designed the system, I'd see
fit to make fun of them.  But, they did the best they could with what they had,
and the composites that were done with it looked fine.  :)  Isn't that last
thing the most important issue?  ::duck::

Hey, one question for the many people here who know much more about this than
me...  The article talks about working at 4k resolution.  I thought I read
that, for example, Episode I was done at 1k.  (maybe it was 2k?)  Why are we
seeing movies done at lower resolution than they were ten years ago?  Am I
misremembering.  Did nobody ever actually *use* the 4k abilities of the early
cineons?



>http://www.openexr.org is the website for OpenEXR.  They've just
>released a new version with tiling and other sweet features.

Ooooh, looks cool, I am checking this out now.

Of course, now I'm back to my perpetual problem.  The available technology
allows me to reproduce anything I make at stunning bit depths, massive dynamic
ranges, etc.  All I need to do now is come up with something interesting enough
that it deserves to be stored at such bit depths!  :)
------------------
No .sig night now.

From: David Hodson
Subject: Re: cineon & bit depth (yet again - LONG)

Will R wrote:

> Hey, one question for the many people here who know much more about this than
> me...  The article talks about working at 4k resolution.  I thought I read
> that, for example, Episode I was done at 1k.  (maybe it was 2k?)  Why are we
> seeing movies done at lower resolution than they were ten years ago?  Am I
> misremembering.  Did nobody ever actually *use* the 4k abilities of the early
> cineons?

4k is what you need to capture _all_ the detail of a 35mm frame.
Most(?) work today is done at 2k, which is not bad, but under
optimum conditions (new print, big screen) you can see that the
image softens slightly when it cuts to an effects shot. Usually
it's not noticably different, so 4k is used only for tricky shots
with lots of detail (like the window exploding behind Trinity in
the original Matrix).

1k matches current digital projection (I think). I live in
fear that digital projection will become widely spread (and
standardised) before it exceeds the resolution of film.

-- 
David Hodson  --  this night wounds time


From: "John Carey"
Subject: Re: cineon & bit depth (yet again - LONG)

Hi,

"Thad Beier"  wrote in message
news:XuidnV53OvCdfd_dRVn-uA@adelphia.com...

> > Yup. The Cineon compositing system originally did the same - log to
> > linear conversions were only added after the first couple of releases.
> > Remarkably, it worked just fine much of the time, although linearising
> > the data does make some difficult tasks much easier.
> >
>
> I wouldn't have believed that the Cineon system did that, if everything
> else you said wasn't so authoritative.  The Kodak people know color better
> than anybody else on the planet, I can't believe they'd endorse a system
> that used linear mathematics on log data.  Amazing.
> It is true that most people do exactly this, though.  It's disgusting.

Shockingly, he is right.  I noticed this when I first used the Cineon system
and I complained about both problems with simple overs as well as color
corrections not working as I expected and the developers confirmed for me
that the internal data representation was presumed to be log but that they
didn't bother to linearize when doing linear arithmetic.  In fact, it was
during those conversations (when Cinesite was still in Burbank) that I first
heard the pernicious, confusing and dramatically inexact expression,
"perceptually linear."

> What people are starting to do now is work in floating point color
> space.  The OpenEXR format is a great format for storing high-dynamic
> range floating point data, and the 16-bit floating point data format
> is a really remarkably good way to represent intensities.  You get
> 10 bits (1024 steps) of intensity per binary octave, and get a
> reasonably large dynamic range.  It uses the 16 bits very well.
> It also is the format that NVidia supports in their newer hardware.
> You will see hardware-assisted high-dynamic-range floating-point
> compositors very soon now.
>
> http://www.openexr.org is the website for OpenEXR.  They've just
> released a new version with tiling and other sweet features.

OpenEXR can supports both 6 and 16 bit integers and IEEE single precision
floats as well as the new and non-standard "half" precision 16 bit float.
Like you, I like the half precision float format because for image
processing applications, when applied photometrically, it has both plenty of
precision as well as plenty of dynamic range for my use.

> Ick.  Render to OpenEXR.  Really.  There are renderman plugins
> to do this.

Again, I agree with Thad.  Every renderer internally represents the
transport of light linearly.  I know this because in nature, the transport
of light is a linear phenomona and all renders to some extent, try to model
it more or less accurately.

> Cineon is used to match what film can capture and display.  But
> when you are rendering CG images, it makes no sense to limit yourself
> to that range.  If highlights are 1,000,000 times brighter than the
> shadows, you should be able to represent that in your rendered images.
> Somewhere downstream in the compositing process, that extended dynamic
> range might be extremely useful.

Yep, I agree.  Cineon is neither radiomeric nor photometric.  Code values in
Cineon represent film densities and the dynamic range of film is all that
Cineon was meant to model.  Cineon had no need nor made no provision for
modeling dynamic ranges that were greater than motion picture negative could
represent even though those ranges are commonplace in nature.

Use floats and render whatever dynamic range is indicated for the element
you are making.  Do yourself a favor!  Don't limit yourself to Cineon.

John



From: "John Carey"
Subject: Re: cineon & bit depth (yet again - LONG)

Hello,

> 4k is what you need to capture _all_ the detail of a 35mm frame.
> Most(?) work today is done at 2k, which is not bad, but under
> optimum conditions (new print, big screen) you can see that the
> image softens slightly when it cuts to an effects shot. Usually
> it's not noticably different, so 4k is used only for tricky shots
> with lots of detail (like the window exploding behind Trinity in
> the original Matrix).

Actually, 4K really isn't a high enough horizontal spacial sample rate to
capture all of the resolution of a modern, fine grain 35mm negative.  I have
seen Kodak tests showing a real resolving power exceeding 4,000 line pairs
on 35mm negative stock.  While that is true, 4K is good enough to capture
more than is reproducable on a contact print and far more than is on even
the best release prints.  That is why 2K has been good enough for most film
work, and also why the calculus is just about to change.

You need to consider that with each printing step, a significant amount of
resolving power is lost so in order to get a reasonable image on the screen,
a pretty high resolution primary imaging system like 35mm negative is
absolutely necessary since so much resolution is lost during the steps
invloved in bringing that image to the screen at your local cineplex.

On the other hand, duplication in the digital domain makes a perfect copy
which has exactly the same resolution with the same depth of modulation, the
same dynamic range and color characteristics as the original.   Sometimes
digital image processing compromises some of those attributes, but
typically, not nearly so much as would doing the equivalent manipulations in
the analog domain on say an optical printer.  Therefore, for very high
quality film work it is perfectly reasonable to use a sample rate that is
significantly less than the resolving power of 35mm negative like 2K,
although in some special cases, 4K is handy.

> 1k matches current digital projection (I think). I live in
> fear that digital projection will become widely spread (and
> standardised) before it exceeds the resolution of film.

The DCI draft standard proposes a projection system with a minimum 2048
horizontal pixels which represents a horizontal dimension equivalent to that
of standard Academy extraction.  In a normal 2K film scan, the Academy
extraction is only 1828 by 1332, so the proposed DCI standard exceeds the
sample rate of current 2K scans and also exceeds the capabilities of print
stock.  Of course, there are precious few 2K projectors around and to my
knowledge, none of them are actually in ordinary theaters.  ETC in Hollywood
has one for testing purposes and so do a number of studios, but those are
not a public venues.

So, even the minimum proposed DCI standard exceeds the performance of
projected motion picture film from the perspective of resolution, although
there are still a few, ahem... issues.  Most digital projection systems are
1280 horizontal with an anamorphic lens, but people seldom complain about
the resolving power in a theater.  Most of the time with film, the print is
out of focus anyway.  Contrast ratio and color reproduction are far more
significant factors in evaluating display performance and I am considering
motion picture projection to be a display technology. And for what it is
worth, I don't consider the current 1280 deployment to be anything other
than a de facto standard based on the availability of projection equipment.

By the way, what do you consider to be the resolution of film under the best
conditions and what do you think the nominal value is under normal
conditions as expressed in line pairs?  In what sense is film a 4K system?
Surely you aren't suggesting that projected motion picture print in a
theater is practically capable of displaying in excess of 2,000 line pairs
at 100% depth of modulation.

John



From: David Hodson
Subject: Re: cineon & bit depth (yet again - LONG)

John,

> Actually, 4K really isn't a high enough horizontal spacial sample rate to
> capture all of the resolution of a modern, fine grain 35mm negative.  I have
> seen Kodak tests showing a real resolving power exceeding 4,000 line pairs
> on 35mm negative stock.

OK. My experience dates back to when Kodak (who I worked for at the
time, but no longer, this is not an offical pronouncement blah blah
blah) did the initial testing for the Cineon system, which was ~1990.
I would believe that stock has improved somewhat since then.

> You need to consider that with each printing step, a significant amount of
> resolving power is lost so in order to get a reasonable image on the screen,
 > [...]

True.

 > it is perfectly reasonable to use a sample rate that is
 > significantly less than the resolving power of 35mm negative like 2K,
 > although in some special cases, 4K is handy.

The intent with Cineon was that the processed image (scanner ->
workstation -> recorder) could be invisibly intercut with the original
negative. Would the subsequent duplication steps obscure any difference
between the two, if the processing was at a lower resolution? Maybe,
maybe not. I _do_ know that I saw a clean print of Matrix (worked at
2K, mostly) on a big screen, and the effects shots were _very_ slightly
softer. But I wouldn't say that proves anything, as it was hardly a
controlled experiment.


> Surely you aren't suggesting that projected motion picture print in a
> theater is practically capable of displaying in excess of 2,000 line pairs
> at 100% depth of modulation.

No, I don't have the experience to say that, and your point about the
difference between the original capture and the projected result is
well taken.

However - most digital technology is advancing far more rapidly than
film technology (as much as it pains an old Kodak guy to say so), and
I'm assuming that digital display technology falls under that heading.
Wouldn't it be nice to wait a few years more, and along with the lack
of scratches, grain, and film weave, get the resolution and colour
range of (say) a pristine 70mm print? Or better?

(Just dreaming, really.)

-- 
David Hodson  --  this night wounds time


From: "John Carey"
Subject: Re: cineon & bit depth (yet again - LONG)

Hi David,

"David Hodson"  wrote in message
news:YLg1c.162$Vr2.4460@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...

> The intent with Cineon was that the processed image (scanner ->
> workstation -> recorder) could be invisibly intercut with the original
> negative. Would the subsequent duplication steps obscure any difference
> between the two, if the processing was at a lower resolution? Maybe,
> maybe not. I _do_ know that I saw a clean print of Matrix (worked at
> 2K, mostly) on a big screen, and the effects shots were _very_ slightly
> softer. But I wouldn't say that proves anything, as it was hardly a
> controlled experiment.

Also, I would guess that all of the effects shots were manipulated in some
way, even the plate shots so that to make a realistic comparison, you would
have to do all of the effects work twice, once using digital techniques and
once using optical techniques.  In that case, the old, analog optical work
would be significantly different.

There is very seldom a case where film is scanned and and the scanned
dataset is written right back to film with no additional image processing
and in the 90's, using white light scanners and CRT film recorders,
interchange between original negative when printed and scanned, recorded and
printed material was more a matter of "close enough" than invisible.  With
the advent of CCD scanning and laser recording, you can use camera stocks in
your film recorder, I think I would have to say that the interchange is
pretty good today.

> However - most digital technology is advancing far more rapidly than
> film technology (as much as it pains an old Kodak guy to say so), and
> I'm assuming that digital display technology falls under that heading.
> Wouldn't it be nice to wait a few years more, and along with the lack
> of scratches, grain, and film weave, get the resolution and colour
> range of (say) a pristine 70mm print? Or better?

Well, I think that photochemical processes have done a pretty good job and
have been the gold standard for imaging for around 100 years, but that
technology being mature and well developed is reaching the end of its
potential.  Digital imaging and display is near the beginning of its life
cycle and the potential seems nearly unlimited in terms of quality as well
as flexibility.

One last thing you may want to consider is that the push toward digital
projection is really coming from studios, especially those that have large
embedded distribution companies.  For a distributor, not making prints and
low latency delivery systems means greater profits right now.  The push back
has been coming from exhibitors for whom retrofitting to support digital as
well as film because film is going to be around for some time yet, seems an
irretrieval and unnecessary expense.  Also, for studios that don't have
their own distribution companies, since the benfiits are low, there is no
compelling reason for them to move towards digital distribution and the fear
of piracy also adds to that latency.

Still, there are standards in place and they are pretty good and I believe,
even the minimum standard when implemented will yield a result superior to
watching projected film.

All the best,

John



From: Mitsy6666@my-deja.com (Mitsy6666)
Subject: Making photographic prints from frames of Super 8 film

I would like to make a few photographic prints from super-8 movie
film. Has anyone done this before?

Any advice would be grately appreciated!

To reply personally, please e-mail: GrizzWasMyCat@yahoo.com. (The
address above is defunct.)

Many thanks!!

From: hppybutchr@aol.com (HppyButchr)
Subject: How to promotoe FX companies

Greetings, 
    I've been a freelance special effects and traditional make-up artist for
many years, and I just recently opened up my own shop.  
    Aside from doing the daily check on the various job listing websites, and
sending out my studios literature, is there any resource I can utilize to
better expose my company?  I'm a small shop in the North NJ/NYC area, and work
is steady in these parts, but I need to know how to go from tracking down the
work, to having the work track me down.

Word of mouth between directors ive worked with has always been good to me, but
with overhead now, I need to of course do more.  Anyone have any ideas  or
resources I might be overlooking?  Thanks much.

~Jeremy B. Selenfriend
www.Monsterinmycloset.com

From: "Corey"
Subject: Help: How to create a flashback sequence

I am using after effects and premiere and need to create a typical
"Flashback sequence" where the vision ripples - think Wayne's World

Does anyone know how to achieve this?



From: "Ma3rk"
Subject: Re: How to promotoe FX companies


Off the top of my head, build your own web site with examples & credits.

You're in a visual medium.  Talking about it only gets you so far; you gots
to be able to show 'em something.

M.
-- 
(Hint: The 3 is silent. Remove if replying privately.)


"HppyButchr"  wrote in message
news:20040304160733.12138.00000848@mb-m02.aol.com...
> Greetings,
>     I've been a freelance special effects and traditional make-up artist
for
> many years, and I just recently opened up my own shop.
>     Aside from doing the daily check on the various job listing websites,
and
> sending out my studios literature, is there any resource I can utilize to
> better expose my company?  I'm a small shop in the North NJ/NYC area, and
work
> is steady in these parts, but I need to know how to go from tracking down
the
> work, to having the work track me down.
>
> Word of mouth between directors ive worked with has always been good to
me, but
> with overhead now, I need to of course do more.  Anyone have any ideas  or
> resources I might be overlooking?  Thanks much.
>
> ~Jeremy B. Selenfriend
> www.Monsterinmycloset.com



From: "Ma3rk"
Subject: Re: Making photographic prints from frames of Super 8 film

You mean for some stills?

Use a bellows attachment on a 35mm still camera and shoot with color neg
film then you've a more normal format to work with when printing.  Remember
to allow exposure compensation for magnification.  Charts for that info
should be readily available.

M.
-- 
(Hint: The 3 is silent. Remove if replying privately.)



"Mitsy6666"  wrote in message
news:ed840aea.0403041050.f394eb9@posting.google.com...
> I would like to make a few photographic prints from super-8 movie
> film. Has anyone done this before?
>
> Any advice would be grately appreciated!
>
> To reply personally, please e-mail: GrizzWasMyCat@yahoo.com. (The
> address above is defunct.)
>
> Many thanks!!



From: hppybutchr@aol.com (HppyButchr)
Subject: Re: How to promotoe FX companies

>Off the top of my head, build your own web site with examples & credits.

Ive got that: www.Monsterinmycloset.com

Has everything you suggest, its out there, Ive paid to have it displayed and
turn up in all of the proper search engines, and on the proper job sites, etc.

~Jeremy
The Happy Butcher

From: "Dave Jones"
Subject: Re: How to create a flashback sequence

Burger's Transition Site http://www.burgers-transition-site.de/index2.html
has a dream sequence for both Adobe and Ulead.  Might be close to what
you're looking for.  and it's free

-- 

Dave Jones
Independent Video Productions
www.vdoguy.com


"Corey"  wrote in message
news:XhP1c.87263$Wa.80657@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> I am using after effects and premiere and need to create a typical
> "Flashback sequence" where the vision ripples - think Wayne's World
>
> Does anyone know how to achieve this?
>
>



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think so many people are promoting it ?

LOOK AT IT THIS WAY: If the Program is a total failure for you and you
never get even $1.00 in return, your total loss will
be the $5.00! If you are not yet a paypal member, there is no risk at
all!!! If the Program is only moderately successful for
you, your PayPal account will have several hundred dollars deposited
into it within the next few days! If you actively
participate in the Program, you could have up to $20,000.00 in your
PayPal account within two weeks!

Now let me tell you the simple details.

Getting Started!!

If you're not already a user of PayPal, the very first thing you need
to do is go to PayPal and sign up. It takes two minutes
and Pay Pal will deposit $5.00 in your account just for becoming a
member. That makes this program's total cost $0!!! Follow
this link to open your PayPal account:

https://www.paypal.com

Now log into your PayPal account, and send the PayPal account of the
person listed in Position 1 $5.00 PayPal will ask you to
select type. (Select "service" and put "$5.00 donation" for
subject.) When person in Position 1 receives notification of your
payment, you can simply copy this page and change the names in
position #1 & #2 & #3 as instructed. Remember, only the person
in Position 1 on the list gets your $5.00 donation. Send them a
donation then remove #1 PayPal account from the list. Move the
other two accounts up & add your Paypal account to #3 position. After
you have retyped the names in the new order,

IMMEDIATELY send the revised message to as many people as possible.
PROMOTE! PROMOTE! The more you promote the Program, the
more you will receive in donations!! That's all there is to it.
You are reading this message in usenet, and usenet is the best way
to spread the word about the program. Post this message to AT LEAST
200 groups in usenet(there are over 24, 000), after you send the 5
dollars to the person at #1. This will guarentee you a profit from
this program. The more groups you post it to, the more money you will
make!!!.You can use a program like "postXpert" to post to all the
newsgroups at once. You can find this program at .
Use Netscape or Internet Explorer and try searching for various new groups
(on- line forums, message boards, chat sites, discussions.)
Visit message boards and post this article as a new message by highlighting
the text of this letter and selecting paste from the edit menu.
Fill in the subject, this will be the header that everyone sees as they
scroll
through the list of postings in a particular group,
click the post message button. You're done.

When your name reaches Position 1 (usually in less than a week) it
will be your turn to receive the cash. $5.00 will be sent
to your PayPal account by people just like you who are willing to send
$5.00 dontation and receive up to $20,000 in less than
two weeks. Because there are only (3) names on the list you can
anticipate 80% of your cash within two weeks.

Anytime you find yourself short on cash just take out your $5.00
donation program and send it to 50 prospects. Imagine if you
sent it to 100 or even more. Most people spend more than $5 on the
lottery every week with no real hope of ever winning.

IMPORTANT!!! IN ORDER FOR THIS PROGRAM TO WORK, YOU MUST BE HONEST. DO
NOT ADD YOUR EMAIL IMMEDIATELY TO THE #1 POSITION, AND MAKE SURE TO
SEND YOUR 5 DOLLARS TO THE PERSON AT #1. IF EVERYONE WHO TRIED THIS
DIDN"T SEND THE MONEY, THEN NOBODY WOULD MAKE A DIME. 5 DOLLARS IS A
VERY SMALL INVESTMENT, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOUR ABOUT TO MAKE MANY MANY
MANY
TIMES THAT AMOUNT. IF WE ARE ALL HONEST, THEN WE ALL MAKE LOTS OF
MONEY!!

REMEMBER, you add your email to the #3 spot, and then move everyone
else
up 1(deleting the person who was formally in the #1 spot, and who you
should have sent your money to). DO NOT add your email to #1 when you
start this program. If everyone did this, then NO ONE would make a
cent.

THIS PROGRAM WORKS - JUST TRY IT

POSITION # 1 PAYPAL ACCOUNT: robertedward@rock.com

POSITION # 2 PAYPAL ACCOUNT: owenmec_2000@yahoo.com

POSITION # 3 PAYPAL ACCOUNT: mikeec1966@yahoo.com

Integrity and honesty make this plan work.
Participants who actively promote this program will average between
$8000
and
$12000 and receive the donations within two weeks.

This is not a chain letter. You are simply making a donation of $5.00
to another person. The Program does not violate title
18 section 1302 of the Postal and lottery code.

Remember -TIME is of the essence. YOU can choose to live
Paycheck-to-Paycheck or live FREE from FINANCIAL BONDAGE. Become a
part of the donation program and help people help people.

This program is about helping each other!

Success is a journey - Not a destination!

Start Your Journey TODAY!!!!







This is my attempt to archive usenet messages. Instead of writing my search engine for searching through Usenet messages, I decided to put all the messages in the files, and let Google do all the searching work. I don't know how many messages I will be able to archive, but I will do my best