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SENT And CC not RB only RB to TO understand VV about IN the DT people NNS who WP have VHP problems NNS but CC also RB to TO understand VV more JJR about IN the DT people NNS who WP seem VVP to TO do VV so RB well RB . SENT The DT idea NN is VBZ that IN if IN we PP can MD understand VV more JJR about IN those DT people NNS who WP are VBP well RB , , perhaps RB we PP can MD mimic VV in IN some DT way NN what WP makes VVZ them PP well RB , , and CC design NN interventions NNS to TO help VV those DT people NNS who WP are VBP not RB doing VVG so RB well RB . SENT The DT ultimate JJ goal NN of IN the DT research NN and CC programs NNS for IN older JJR people NNS is VBZ to TO postpone VV limitations NNS and CC disability NN . SENT Probably RB , , when WRB all DT is VBZ said VVN and CC done VVN , , there's RB very RB little JJ we PP can MD do VV to TO extend VV a DT lifespan NN . 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